con3head Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Hi there, i have a big problem with my big swimbait. it´s suposed to be a S-Swimmer/glider but its not gliding stable and when i twitch it, it always turns only to one side, even when its gliding to this side, i twitch again and same glide to same side, so its not turning to the other side. i made a few pictures for you, so maybe you can help me. i made some different holes for the ballast and tied some variations but nothing helped or improved the way it swims. the bait is 26cm long, 6cm high and it is about 2,7cm wide. i really need a solution for that!!! thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichthus Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 First, make sure both sections sink at the same rate, then, it may be just a matter of tuning that front screw eye like a crankbait. Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
con3head Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 thanks for reply! i read this before here in tu board about weighting each section on its own, but does it matters where to put the weight on each section or can i put it along the whole lenght of those. for example, like it has do be the most in the head, or some before the hinge or right behind or some has to be before the tail???? if you can see on the pic "front view" i tried to put the front screweye a little bit more down but this made the action more rolling and nothing like gliding! what about the shape (horizontal/vertikal) is that oke or is something wrong and a reason for the unstable glide???? do i have to make the body thinner from the second section to the tail??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Glenn Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I had the same problem with a large 9 oz. one piece glide bait. It would sink level, but it always glided to one side. I put it away until I stabilize again. lol I sure hope you find a cure and please post if you do. Musky Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronBass Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I run weight from about 3/4 of an inch all the way to the back, except where any hardware is. As for weighting on two piece glides I want a slight nose down, this helps with the front half controlling the back half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronBass Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 ^^^ 3/4 of an inch from the front of the bait^^^ correction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
con3head Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 All the way to the tail? How Do Your baits swim with this Setup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronBass Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) Sorry not into to tail, but as far back as possible. Baits swim very stable, at slow and fast speeds, very happy with travel of the glides. Edited February 27, 2015 by IronBass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
con3head Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 this is how i weighted them now to get both section sinking equally veeerrry slow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichthus Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 That weighting looks good to me. Try either putting a split ring on the line tie or tuning like a crankbait or both. I'm not really sure.... Maybe your joint is sticking on one side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
con3head Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 the joints are moving absolutly free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichthus Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 After observing the pictures once more, I think if you switched your joint to a pin and hinge joint, it would work better. Try that and let me know how it goes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichthus Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 The pin and hinge joint is what's used in all major glide baits. I've tried using interlocked screw eyes and it doesn't perform as well. With a pin and screw eye joint, or pin and hinge joint, you get a lot more "streamlined" movement from the bait I guess. It's more of a slalom glide like I'm guessing you want. Just make sure all of your cuts are straight, even, and keep the hinges moving freely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
con3head Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 oke i´m going to try out in this order, if one fails->next... 1. try new weighting 2. shorten the tail section a bit 3. changing hinge to pin setup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
con3head Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 The pin and hinge joint is what's used in all major glide baits. I've tried using interlocked screw eyes and it doesn't perform as well. With a pin and screw eye joint, or pin and hinge joint, you get a lot more "streamlined" movement from the bait I guess. It's more of a slalom glide like I'm guessing you want. Just make sure all of your cuts are straight, even, and keep the hinges moving freely. thats my problem, to make the hole for the pin straight and even, i have no special setup to drill the hole. just a handdrillingmaschine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichthus Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 that sounds like a great plan. you don't need anything fancy for cutting the slots. you usually want slots, not holes so the screw eyes have more room to move side to side. what and how did you make such a beautiful lure if you don't mind me asking. lol. its a really nice looking bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I noticed that you have a mouth cutout. Have you tried temporarily filling this in. Use a bit of putty or blu-tak. I think this might be disturbing the flow around the lure. It can easily be eliminated without damaging the lure. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
con3head Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 that sounds like a great plan. you don't need anything fancy for cutting the slots. you usually want slots, not holes so the screw eyes have more room to move side to side. what and how did you make such a beautiful lure if you don't mind me asking. lol. its a really nice looking bait. thats just the hole for the ballast^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Yes, I just tried to edit my comment accordingly. As long as the hole is filled in and rounded off. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
con3head Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 that sounds like a great plan. you don't need anything fancy for cutting the slots. you usually want slots, not holes so the screw eyes have more room to move side to side. what and how did you make such a beautiful lure if you don't mind me asking. lol. its a really nice looking bait. just to get it right i found a pic and added what type of hinge you want me to do^^ i just keep carving^^ but scales is something i ´m not patient enough carving just needs practise but bringing the bait alive is the key and the point i have to work on, jerkbaits style baits are easier (i did before) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowhunter Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I think the answer to your problem lies in the title of this post. And my simple answer is yes, you do have a weighting problem. That has to do with trying to get two different actions from one bait! The best GLIDE bait is a one piece lure, usually weighted equidistant in the front and the rear. The best SWIM bait is usually two or more pieces weighted mainly in the front. Not to say that a swim bait can't glide a little, or some glides swim but both suffer the effects of a crossover. Douglas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
con3head Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 just to explain what i want from this bait: it´s supposed to be a lure like the S-Waver or 3D bleak glide swimmer or the trick trout by hinkle lures! it is not going to be a glider like a Jerkbait with the typical ballast settings in front and rear like buster jerks (one piece), those i´ve done before succesfully....left to right and so on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) I was able to get my two piece swimbaits to glide (thank you Dave and everyone else here) after struggling for a long time. I copied a successful shape first, the S Waver, and I think the ramped chin helps the bait change direction when I pause and jerk. These are the key things I learned here that made my baits glide: 1. Making sure that each of the two pieces sank perfectly horizontally as individual pieces. 2. Making sure the two pieces sank at the same rate of fall by holding the side by side, and releasing them in my float bucket. 3. Making sure there was no friction in the hinge at all. I use screw eyes and a sst bicycle spoke pin for my hinges. The long pin keeps the screw eyes from self-adjusting, and I can run them in or out to tune my joint gap. I've since made several other successful two piece gliders, using the same ideas and proportions, in terms of ratio of front to rear sections. I also did not give the joint too much play. I found, the tighter the joint, the larger and lazier the S wave motion. In retrospect, I had made two piece baits in the past, but I was disappointed in their lazy S swim, which I was sure would never catch fish, so I went to three and four piece baits instead. Shows how much I know! Hahaha Edited February 27, 2015 by mark poulson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
con3head Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I inhaled Your thread before and know what happend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowhunter Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Exactly. Neither the Bleak or Trick trout have a long glide, they're just swim baits. Douglas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
