Lead Warning/proposition 65

[RSNeely]

Im going to be selling some of my jigs in a local tackle store in PA. What type of warning's do i need to include on my bag? Do i absolutely need to have the entire lead warning in CA phrase or is "This product contains lead" sufficient? Thanks for all the help in this.   

[cadman]

I don't know what PA local law requires. Ask the guy at the tackle store you plan to sell . He should know by the type of merchandise he puts out on display. Since I don't sell to stores I can't tell you, however every page in my catalog states that " This product contains lead" and I don't live in CA. To me it is better to make people aware of that, so later they don't say well I didn't know. If they can't read, well then that's on them.

[Dink Mendez]

I used to sell here local at a bait shop. Prop 65 is a Right to know law for the consumer. Also, in California helps establish any product with a MSDS or SDS information must be known, if used in the retail product. Here in CA regulations and prop 65 is one of the BACK DOOR laws to track and confirm registered use products and supplier of materials. TAX AND FEE GENERATOR!  Just be sure all your ducks are in the roll. Here in Ca, I know a formal bait shop that got fined 18,000.00 dollars for not applying the prop 65 law. Just be glad your not in Ca, Good Luck!

[smalljaw]

I'm in PA and I can tell you that there are two small tackle shops that I go in every now and again and both places make plain jig heads that they sell. The one shop puts them in a small bag with a card  that says 1/8oz or other weight along with the number of jigs and the price and he has been doing it like that for decades so I assume you don't need any warning.

[BLT]

I make jigs here in Pa., but sell nothing in the state. wish I could help. I would not hurt to put that warning on the label. I even thought of putting a caution on it saying "warning.....hook is sharp".  It's a shame you have to think like that, but someone is always looking for the free ride in life.

[mark poulson]

Too many lawyers looking to make work.

One phrase they don't learn in law school is, "Are you F'ing kidding me?"  That is what they should say when people come to them with stupid stuff like getting stuck by a sharp hook they bought to be sharp.  But, because most lawyers think they're the smartest person alive, they game the system.

[mark poulson]

On the other hand, the reason we have these kind of laws in the first place is that there are companies out there who will sell poison and death, if they think it will make money.

The US outlawed lead in residential paints in 1978, but the whole world knew it was dangerous long before that.

Here's what I found online:

 

Childhood lead poisoning was linked to lead-based paints in 1904. Several European countries banned the use of interior lead-based paints in 1909. At one time baby cribs were painted with lead-based paint, which resulted in infant illness and death. In 1922, the League of Nations banned lead-based paint but the United States declined to adopt this rule. In 1943, a report concluded that children eating lead paint chips could suffer from neurological disorders including behavior, learning, and intelligence problems. Finally, in 1971, lead-based house paint was phased out in the United States with the passage of the Lead-Based Paint Poisoning Prevention Act.

 

So there are kids with brain damage from lead poisoning alive today because we dragged our feet in outlawing lead.  I'm pretty sure it wasn't the parents who decided it was okay to keep using it for so long.

 

Lead pellets from shot guns are much more likely to be eaten by water fowl, who eat gravel to line their gullets to act as food grinders, than lead weights.  I'm pretty sure a lead jig with a hook in it will never make it past their mouths.

[Dink Mendez]

I agree with the common sense approach of reviewing laws and products that affect use. However; The Cal EPA has expanded and adding materials that the public uses every day that can be regulated. We all agree that lead is bad if consumed or during melting stage of off gassing. The expansions of some materials is ridiculous. For example; I list some that are common in everyday life, === leather dust, wood dust, tetracycline, marijuana smoke, sulfur. These are the recent trace materials and other that have a MSDS and listed on the Prop 65 now.  So here we go;  Fallow the Money-- Leather dust ( leather shop or Upholstery ) Wood dust ( cabinet shop ) tetracycline ( dairy) marijuana smoke ( state sale of trace residues ) sulfur ( wine making). All back door regulatory fees to up your RMP ( Risk Managment Program ) liabilities and CalArp enforcement. I work for a Hazmat Industrial Consultant and Action firm. I seen a miss-use of programs like Prop 65 to help, but mostly to regulate small business out of Cal. I don't mean to get on a rant, I'll leave you with this; this came across my desk early part of last year. A California Conservation Building ( let say big bird cage) in South Part of Cal- had a death of a California Condor of lead poisoning. A immediately action was taken, State officials put out Bulletin letter for more Lead Free Zones are needed to be expanded immediately. After twenty thousand dollars in testing, lead was the cause, but the Condor was born and raised in captivity. The bird never had a chance to fly free. Good example how many what to use the law to push their interest!.

[cadman]

You know its funny, but if you use anything in excess, it apparently will have adverse effects on some people but not everyone. I understand that they need to regulate items, but many of the things that they put laws to are because people don't have any common sense, or people are too busy and don't watch their children. When I was a kid I played with mercury, had metal toys with sharp edges. I even had a toy that you heated the plastic and made creatures out of them. Now everything is dangerous, because of the fact that like someone stated, people don't want to be blamed for their own stupidity. If something happens it can't be me, must be the product. I am not condoning to play with mercury, and I know many of the things back in the day probably were not good for our health but I think it goes to the extreme now on many things. Didn't I read somewhere, that all the rice we have been eating has some arsenic in it. Well I like rice, and I can tell you that there are many Asian countries that eat a lot of rice per capita. So now what do we do about the rice?  Lots of rules and regulations and not enough thorough information. Oh well life goes on and onto the next major crisis. Just some more ranting.

[mark poulson]

I think the biggest problem is that most people grow up now in cities, totally removed from the natural world.  Playing in the dirt, falling and getting up, seeing that the meat we eat comes from dead animals, all those life lessons are lost on people who only know concrete and asphalt, and super markets.

People who grow up in cities are afraid of everything, because there are so many dangerous things in cities.  

Pollution is concentrated in cities, traffic is worse, poverty is more concentrated and closer.

Even the parks they go to are filled with junkies and drugs at night, so they have to watch out for everything there, too.

I grew up 5 blocks from a swamp, behind the local playground, where all the kids would play all summer.  Our alleys were dirt, so we could hunt for lizards and snakes behind our own homes.

I learned about how to handle black widows and scorpions from the older kids.

And any parent could swat any kid who misbehaved, and get a thank you from the kid's own parents.

Times have changed.

Common sense is now the most uncommon thing.

[RayburnGuy]

Well said Mark.    I can remember my mother taking time out from shopping in one of the local grocery stores to give me a good whuppin' right there in the aisle of the store and nobody even raised an eye. If that happened today child protective services would be on the scene before you could say don't do it. We were taught respect and that choices had circumstances. Both good and bad. Kids growing up in rural areas were also taught what work was and that it was nothing to be afraid of. Times have definitely changed and as far as I'm concerned it hasn't been for the better.

 

Ben

[cadman]

Ben,

    What you just stated is so true. I couldn't put that in any better words.

[Basseducer]

RSNeely,

I would go into the local stores and see what the big dogs are doing in your area. Then I would do at least the same. In this area, it doesn't hurt to do more than the minimum. It only takes a little room on your label to be safe.