JRammit Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Does anybody think about, worry about, speculate or otherwise ponder the possibility of the big name bait co's trolling our gallery for ideas or concepts???... I was afraid to post my work at first (even though i had just started and really had nothing impressive to show), but i saw some really creative work on here so i started sharing mine too.... This is being optimistic at best.. But.. Im not sure how i would feel if i came up with something original and a year or so later saw it on an add in a magazine or commercial on Sportsman Channel......... Is this paranoia? Or has anyone seen it happen before?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 JR - It is not paranoia, it is a reality, it can, and occasionally does happen. Not so much from the gallery I suspect, unless your lure receives incredible write-ups and is very different and innovative. If you have something special and plan to bring it to market in a BIG way, then sure, keep it under wraps. You would need to hit the market place hard, there is no room for starting slow and building up gradually. If the lure is that good then you have perhaps a year before it gets copied and the market get flooded with cheap knock-offs. If you are not planning to make this effort, then you might as well put your creations out there, accept the accolades and take pride that you furthered the art of the fish hunt. If you start seeing fancy paint jobs in the TU gallery on the backs of cheap plastic that looks suspiciously like your creation, then you have two choices; get depressed and jump off a bridge or get enthused and come up with a new idea. There is plenty of scope for ingenuity, invention and creativity left in the field of lure design. People will try to tell you that it has all been done - believe me, they could not be more wrong or further from the truth. Dave 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted April 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 I guess the bragging rights alone would be somthin!... Still, who here doesnt dream (key word dream) of thinking up the "next big thing" and no longer being burdened by a "job" that interferes with our fishing and tackle building time??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 I don't do the dreaming bit any more, not because I have run out of ideas, if fact my creativity is only increasing. I just know that I am most unlikely to bring anything to market, mostly because of my location. I did do the second part of your comment and got rid of the pesky job that was interfering with my lure work. I went seven years without a job. I don't recommend this action, as I almost ended up living on the street, literally. Most of you have some serious responsibilities with family to take care of and houses, cars and all the rest to pay for. You have to take those dreams and drag them kicking and screaming into the real world. You make a real plan and if the plan on paper has too much guess work and is too risky, you must take care of your priorities and let the dreams go. Personally, I do not have any of those heavy responsibilities, but still decided to let the dreams go. I now stick to what I enjoy and what I am good at, that is R+D. If another dream comes along, I will consider it, in real world context. Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braided Line Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 You post something..................it could be up for grabs. As you say, you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodieb8 Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 I do it commercially. I wont steal . copying from another cheapens your product. because someones already done it. the worst is tv adsto get your patents.trademarks. there u pay they steal lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apdriver Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Yep, post it and you may see it somewhere else. I like to make my own recipes (plastics).I used to share them til I saw one of my colors.........somewhere else. Our community is looked at commercially. No doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted May 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Maybe instead of worrying, i should just set a goal to one day build a bait worth copying Im only getting started, but keep an eye out, i hope to soon be a reason you look in the gallery, give you something different to see from time to time...... And if i ever post a link to a TV commercial... You'll know why! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 Maybe instead of worrying, i should just set a goal to one day build a bait worth copying Im only getting started, but keep an eye out, i hope to soon be a reason you look in the gallery, give you something different to see from time to time...... And if i ever post a link to a TV commercial... You'll know why! Now that is a good, positive attitude. Good luck with your projects and I will always help all I can to get you to that place. Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted May 23, 2015 Report Share Posted May 23, 2015 I personally don't worry. To be honest much of what you see on the site is knock off of the big boys. Many don't create anything "new" as they are more about just wanting to make baits. I see guys at times take a lot of credit for "new" that translates to they just haven't been around all that long or they have the attitude they haven't seen it so it is new. I chuckle at times talking with these guys as they wear blinders. Then you have a portion that make all sorts of new stuff but more about recreating the wheel. There ideas on concepts that are valid but often price prohibitive at the time or just not feasible for production as very little need or very niche market. I have seen some truly unique ideas, concepts, and baits (typically email, PM, or private chats) over the years that definitely are very marketable. However I think the general lure builder gives way to little credit to the big guys when it comes to innovation, design, and overall ability. We tend to think we can whittle something in our porch or poor something in the garage and make that secret lure. Understandable as the concept is deeply woven into fishing lore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted May 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 We could assume that creativity is a level playing field.. After all, there are guys who make a living as lure designers right?.. While were at work every day wishing we we're designing and building baits, they're at work designing and building baits.. That gives them the edge right? I don't think so.... Our porch/garage/basement/laundry room has one advantage over their factory... Risk... If we want to fish with something, we build it.. Nobody has to approve it, and if it fails, our only loss is time.. Time that we enjoyed spending, so really no loss at all...... If they design a new bait, it has to sell in order to justify labor, machine time and material costs.. No telling how many great ideas never saw the light of day because someone was afraid to pull the trigger And for any one who thinks theyve come up with something new but find out its been done before... Think of it like this.. If you hadn't seen it before, then at some point someone gave up on it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted May 24, 2015 Report Share Posted May 24, 2015 I think the new guy has the edge on creativity. His/her mind has not been soiled by 'the way things are'. You should write down every idea and build them all, tackling each project one at a time. Don't concern yourself about whether it has been done before, you will not have wasted any of your time if it has, because you will have learned a lot in the process of building and testing. If you scour the galleries and web images for ideas or for what has been done, you will be polluting your virgin lure mind. Sometimes guys will PM me and ask, 'Will this work'. I give an honest opinion, followed up with, 'For the true answer, you really have to build it', because if it is a new idea, my opinion based on what I have learned about how water works, is still just better than a guess. If you want to build something original, read up on vortex shedding and get some idea of what makes the lure move. I would love it if people came to me with, 'I built this shape and that happened'. I may be able to explain it and, if it failed, offer suggestions on what to try next. I would be learning at the same time. Always remember, you learn a lot more from a failed lure than a successful lure. At the start, the many failures used to get me down, but now, if a lure fails, I get excited because I know I am going to learn. Don't throw the failures away until you know why they failed. If you need the space then send them to me. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
