Richard Prager Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Can you post some examples side by side of what you are referring to? I just can't imagine somebody that can paint well enough to misrepresent themselves does not have the ability to develop their own style. Don't take this personally because I like to play the devils advocate and stir up the pot. Four full pages of this and I still don't see what you are talking about here. Everybody I know had to either learn or get ideas from somewhere, someone and/or looking at others' works. So far all I hear is well....hearsay! If you're going to call out someone out on a public forum, then do it. I do believe that EVERYBODY should develop their own style. Most have, some don't..... some use the foto/foil method and mislead people into thinking they are airbrushed....others use sharpies and when comments are made about how great of a paint job it is, they fail to respond with how they are actually made. By the way if, it hasn't changed, you can copyright your work as a catalog for the same price as an individual piece. Like I said, don't take it personally.....rant over and time for my meds! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Richard, This kid is actually posing as her..using her business name and signing her name to his painted baits...The copying of colors is a non issue ( so to speak) the identity theft is the issue..Nathan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Prager Posted July 25, 2015 Report Share Posted July 25, 2015 Venutian Lures said that the kid was misrepresenting his baits as hers and others' there was no mention of actual signatures on the baits. I have recently seen somebody selling cranks stating they were painted by this one or that one. I don't remember if it was e-bay or a group on Facebook but either way those items and that person would have been banned almost immediately once brought to their attention. Are these misrepresentations still going on or is it over and done with?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkman Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 thi has and will be going on and impossible to stop, right now Boyd Duckett had his name and has said that his "New" swimbait design is 100% his and what it is a 100% knock of of Mike Bucca Bull Shad, this is a major company claiming to authorship of a blatant copy Zoom is coping Roboworm down to the very name they use, I saw a fist fight at my first ICAST over a lure design. if you get your self in this industry and have an original lure or design some one will steal it for sure, sad but true 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted July 26, 2015 Report Share Posted July 26, 2015 I don't like this copying mentality. The only time the copy is justified is when you are copying nature. If I make a realistic looking shad bait and someone else has already made a realistic looking shad, then you cannot accuse me of copying, as I am copying nature, not the other bait. I scan the web for a photo of a real fish that suits my purpose. Even then the shape gets changed to something that is stronger around the tail and simplified around the head. Darkman - the two examples you quoted are probably not the best, as the Triton Mike bait is a reverse engineered copy of a successful but discontinued bait, by Mike's own admission. The basic shape of the bait looks fairly standard jerk bait to me. The Zoom - Roboworm example, again not a good example. the Roboworm is more than 25 years old and as such is beyond protection. Even copying the names of the colors is a non-issue and no different to calling a color firetiger or sexy shad. Those color names are now industry standards. In both these cases the bait has become a lure standard, if there was a hall of fame, these baits would be in it. Yes, it is blatant copying, but copying an unprotected bait, all you can do is shrug your shoulders and make sure that you apply higher standards to your own work. It is a crying shame that a company the size of Zoom cannot come up with its own original work and feels that it has to copy, quite laughable really. Copying at any level is ethically wrong and unnecessary. But, all you can do is roll your eyes in mild discust. It is not that difficult to come up with an original design, research natures catalogue of patterns and add a little imagination and inginuity. If you copy a new and protected bait, then you deserve to get your neck stepped on in the courts. What Venution_lures is experiencing is way beyond copying a design or paint pattern, it is identity theft. People go to prison for such crimes and rightly so. I have experienced identity theft in a cheque book fraud, that person was caught and imprisoned. Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venutian_Lures Posted July 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 My lawyer has advised me to refrain from talking about it on social media until it is over and done with. I will add though that yes, I did say in one of my posts he is signing my work with my name, using my Logo, etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeee Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Darn Lawyers always take all the fun out of things. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougarftd Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Maybe a message to him/her via webpage or facebook may be enough...if a young person may scare them into backing off...I have noticed a few people copying your work it is a shame 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedyarb Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 I looked at your facebook page venutian lures. You have some very nice lures you have painted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bam424 Posted August 2, 2015 Report Share Posted August 2, 2015 Start signing initials or stamping your lures on the belly of the bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Prager Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 You want....I can send Uncle Benny over there....save your lawyer money for supplies, dinner and a nice vacation. He's semi retired and bored sitting and feeding the pigeons and/or watching the bikini clad women roller-blade by him on South Beach! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
