Grip Pin For Flipping

[mark poulson]

Has anyone here come up with a fast, cheap way to add a grip pin to their flipping hooks?  I have found that a wide gap, offset worm hook works really well, but the heavy hooks I found have a crappy offset bend that doesn't hold the soft plastic.

I tried wrapping on some sst wire, but, man, it is a bear!

Help!!!

[Dink Master]

Have Bob La Londe make you a mold/pour with tin.

[Walking Dead]

These are out there and looks simple.

Try the floral wire, couple of wraps withe some wire left over to insert into the plastic.

[Walking Dead]

Watch how small jaw adds this keeper to this hook: option?

[mark poulson]

Man, he makes it look soooo easy.  Thanks for sharing the video.

And thanks for the floral wire idea.  I don't know why I thought I'd just wind my soft sst wire around the hook.  It doesn't like winding, but I can see using a U bend of it, wrapped either with floral wire, or with thread and super glue, will work!

[mark poulson]

These are out there and looks simple.

Try the floral wire, couple of wraps withe some wire left over to insert into the plastic.

 

I tried the floral wire, and then I tried cutting tight U pieces of the floral wire, and wrapping them onto the hook with fly tying thread and super glue.  I like that better.  It's much less bulky than the all wire versions.

Now, all I need it for the fish to tell me they like it, too!

[Jig Man]

Another great tip from one of the masters.  I'm gonna' be putting some of those on my Ned Rig hooks.  I'm glad you had that question Mark and thanks for the vid WD.

[Ccfish]

Gonna have to give the shrink wrap idea a shot. Those trokar flippin hooks work good but they get expensive. Do you think the shrink wrap would stay put on a straight shank hook? We do alot of punching grass mats and water hyacinths down here.

[bryanmc]

I do it this way...

 

[Jig Man]

This is a good thread.  I'm gonna' combine small jaw's wire with Aarons tying method.

[mark poulson]

Man, who knew there were so many ways to skin this cat?

All great ideas.

Thanks.

[mark poulson]

Success!!!

I fished one of my grip pin hooks this morning, the one with the floral wire V held on with tying thread and super glue.

I had originally tied on one with the wire wrapped around the shank, but I found it to be too bulky, so I decided to go with the floral wire keeper.

The first thing I noticed, when rigging my soft plastic bait, was that I was able to bend the wire V down toward the hook eye, so the soft plastic passed over it more easily, and then bend it back up and slide the plastic back down into the "pocket" it made.  It worked great!  Several flip fish, no bait slippage, even when I was punching through heavy hyacinth and into tulles.

I don't know how often I can bend  the V down and back up before it breaks from metal fatigue, but they are so easy to make, I'll just cut off the broken wire and tie a new V onto the same hook!  Once I have the parts assembled, it only takes a minute to tie one on, and making a dozen wire V's takes all of two minute, including cutting time.

I use the same wire that I tie my skirts on with, so I had everything on hand.

Thank you again Walking Dead for the great idea!!!

Edited August 3, 2015 by mark poulson

[Vodkaman]

I just viewed the video from post No4. Superb video, makes me want to go out and buy the tying gear.

Dave

[Walking Dead]

Mark, maybe double it for strength? There are a ciuple if different sizes and you are right, when doing jigs just do a few hooks as well. Glad it works for you.

[mark poulson]

I just viewed the video from post No4. Superb video, makes me want to go out and buy the tying gear.

Dave

 

Dave, 

After watching the video, I now have tying vise envy!

[mark poulson]

Mark, maybe double it for strength? There are a ciuple if different sizes and you are right, when doing jigs just do a few hooks as well. Glad it works for you.

 

Walking Dead,

The wire is plenty strong as it is.  Any stronger and I couldn't bend it down and back up as easily.  I have four hooks with the wire wrap that I'm going to redo.  I may try the doubled weed guard, to see if it's flexible enough to let the plastic bait pass without gouging a huge hole.

But your floral wire idea works, so I'm set, one way or the other.

Thanks again.

[Jig Man]

OK Mark, I'm having trouble making a mental pic of what it looks like.  Can you post a pic?

[bryanmc]

I may try the doubled weed guard, to see if it's flexible enough to let the plastic bait pass without gouging a huge hole.

 

It is...  

[RayburnGuy]

I tried the weed guard like Bryan suggested and it works really well. Haven't actually fished it yet, but did try tugging on the plastic fairly hard and it didn't slip a bit. Thanks for posting Bryan.

 

Ben

[mark poulson]

Well, Bryan was right on target.  After having my wire grip pins on two hooks break after only a few bait changes, I can home, found some old brush guards, and retied all the hooks that I'd put wire grip pins on.

World of difference in terms of flexibility.  I liked how the wire could be folded into the flip bait, so it really held them in place, weedlessly, but I was only able to change baits three times before the wire broke.

In the course of rummaging through my hook box, looking for stout EWG offset hooks to use for flipping, I came across some VMC "Ike Approved" swimbait hooks that I use for my hard frogs.  They are stout enough for flipping, and they come with a sst spiral hitchhiker, which is meant to hold the soft swimbait, but I found today it holds my flipping baits really well.

[RayburnGuy]

Tied up a few hooks using Bryan's method for a friend of mine to try and he said he loves them. Only problem is that when he left the keeper outside the bait it hangs hydrilla really bad. He said there was no way to get the hydrilla to come loose and that you just had to reel it in and clean the hydrilla off. He then tried pushing the "V" back up into the plastic a bit and that fixed everything. No more hydrilla hanging on the hook and according to him the plastic stays in place and will not slip down. He's already wanting more of them.

 

It's a winner Bryan. Thanks for sharing.

 

Ben

Edited August 12, 2015 by RayburnGuy

[smalljaw]

I'm just going to throw this out there but you can do something similar to make an octopus or wacky rig hook weedless. Instead of tying a keeper you tie a weed guard and you can still make a "V" like Aaron Martens does but you make it longer and instead of tying the two ends down and using the kinked portion to hold your plastic, you simply tie the kinked end down and then fold the two ends down and it makes a nice little guard for wacky rig hooks. I've used small wire like .012" and I was cutting 2 pieces and then I saw the Aaron Martens video and I started making them with 1 piece of wire. I got the idea for the weed guards from here and this is why I love this site!!

[bryanmc]

Or you can tie the two ends down right behind the eye with the kink away from the hookpoint and have one like the gamakatsu wide gap finesse weedless hooks.

[BassBull]

 Another option....I use the hook Mustad 91768 NP-BN . This is a jig hook but I make it into a hook for tx rigging plastics. I have played with a lot of dif. keepers to hold the baits on and have narrowed it down to a couple that  I like. Coated cable our jig weed guard bristles are about as good as I can find for my type of fishing beavers and brushhog type baits. The big dif. that I do tho is to tie the keeper to the INSIDE ( between the hook point and the eye of the hook) just behind the hook eye.. That way the keeper follows the channel the hook eye makes on it's way out on the hook set. This opp.has saved me on a lot of money on my plastics. It's not as easy to put the keepers on this style of hook but worth the time and effort . The way the hook is made, the bend in the hook lets it slide thru weeds and wood without catching anything Just give this a try you won't be sorry. Have a good day. STEVE

[Jeff Hahn]

 Another option....I use the hook Mustad 91768 NP-BN . This is a jig hook but I make it into a hook for tx rigging plastics. I have played with a lot of dif. keepers to hold the baits on and have narrowed it down to a couple that  I like. Coated cable our jig weed guard bristles are about as good as I can find for my type of fishing beavers and brushhog type baits. The big dif. that I do tho is to tie the keeper to the INSIDE ( between the hook point and the eye of the hook) just behind the hook eye.. That way the keeper follows the channel the hook eye makes on it's way out on the hook set. This opp.has saved me on a lot of money on my plastics. It's not as easy to put the keepers on this style of hook but worth the time and effort . The way the hook is made, the bend in the hook lets it slide thru weeds and wood without catching anything Just give this a try you won't be sorry. Have a good day. STEVE

How about posting a pic of this design?  Thanks in advance!