BBA Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Hello all, Fairly new to this forum, I have joined as I feel there is a great community with a wealth of knowledge. I have picked up a few nice tips in exploring the board. I have been hand pouring for a few years now and know my way around a bit. My question is this, I am looking to make a stick worm with a very simalar sink rate to a yamamoto. What kind of salt to plastic ratios are you guys having success with? I am using a plastic from do it or formally canny creek. I typically run 4 cup batches with room for added salt volume Secondly, what about tube salt ratios? I am brand new to tubes and I know there is loads of salt in them usually and I don't really want to mess up a batch by adding too much as tube runs are using a lot more plastic. Many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stock's Lures Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I use 1/4 cup of salt per cup of plastic. So 1 cup per 4 cups plastic. With tubes I think you use saltwater plastic and a lot of salt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBA Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Thanks, I should have also stated that I do have a thicker( harder) plastic for tubes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) 4 heaping tablespoons salt per 8 oz + one tablespoon softener So 1/2 cup salt and 2 tablespoon softener per 1 cup plastic to match Yammys. If using a Seno mold this give an 11g weight bait, same as a real one. If new dont make batches over 1 cup or you will waste alot of plastic till you get things right. I never understood why hard plastic for tubes. I want my tubes soft like other baits Edited August 19, 2015 by MonteSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryanmc Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 4 heaping tablespoons salt per 8 oz + one tablespoon softener Did you mean "per 4 oz"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 No two tablespoons in 4 oz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBA Posted August 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 4 heaping tablespoons salt per 8 oz + one tablespoon softener So 1/2 cup salt and 2 tablespoon softener per 1 cup plastic to match Yammys. If using a Seno mold this give an 11g weight bait, same as a real one. If new dont make batches over 1 cup or you will waste alot of plastic till you get things right. I never understood why hard plastic for tubes. I want my tubes soft like other baits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBA Posted August 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Softner? I haven't used softner before. Why do you add that? Does the hefty amount of salt stiffen up the worm a bit? I haven't tried that much salt in a batch so I wouldn't have yet noticed. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bass-Boys Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 yes the heavy salt stiff-ins the bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveMc1 Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 I never understood why hard plastic for tubes. I want my tubes soft like other baits Dragging or working really soft tubes over rocks, gravel, shell beds and mussels tear the crap out of them. Making them out of a stiffer compound helps them last longer, leaving you with more time to fish them. Big smallies will absolutely destroy a very soft tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Canyon Plastics, the original makers of the Gitzit, makes soft tubes. They are great for clear, pressured waters. But there are tubes out there with thicker heads, so you can use an offset hook and still have a relatively soft tube that will hold up. Look at some of the flipping tubes on Tackle Warehouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsworms Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Canyon Plastics, the original makers of the Gitzit, makes soft tubes. They are great for clear, pressured waters. But there are tubes out there with thicker heads, so you can use an offset hook and still have a relatively soft tube that will hold up. Look at some of the flipping tubes on Tackle Warehouse. My dad used to call them "Gitzits." One day, I found out he was talking about tubes in general. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Ya I am from the old Gitzit days and the gitzit glider weights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 I fish with the guy who brought the Tora Tube to prominence, Dan Warme, and he still calls all tubes Gitzits. He even made a video with the Garland brothers on Gitzit fishing, back in the late 90's. He knows stuff about fishing them that amazes me still, and we've been fishing together for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emptystringer81 Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 4 heaping tablespoons salt per 8 oz + one tablespoon softener So 1/2 cup salt and 2 tablespoon softener per 1 cup plastic to match Yammys. If using a Seno mold this give an 11g weight bait, same as a real one. If new dont make batches over 1 cup or you will waste alot of plastic till you get things right. I never understood why hard plastic for tubes. I want my tubes soft like other baits so it's like 50- 50 salt half salt and half plastic, what if you Dont have softner will this still work or no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basseducer Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Without the softener, you baits will be a bit stiffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emptystringer81 Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 I've been using 1/4 cup salt to one cup plastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 With that much salt baits will be very stiff without softener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBA Posted August 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) Thanks for tips and info. I'll definatly be adding a significantly larger amount of salt in my stick worms. I've only been using an 8:1 plastic to salt in my sticks. Works well for me but I've had a few clients ask for a quicker sinking worm. Edited August 21, 2015 by BBA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) My formula is to match a real Yammy Senko which is heavier than the rest. About 11 g per bait. With that much filler it is also the reason they are so weak. He can also make more money as salt is cheaper than plastic. Most Knock off stick baits use less salt and dont sink or wobble on the fall like a real Senko. Thats is why many swear by the Senko and wont fish other sticks. I now exclusively use Silica sand. I can make a stick nearly identical to a Senko that is much more durable. I can also make clear and more translucent baits that weigh 11g and are soft. They show colors and gltters nice and bright. Edited August 22, 2015 by MonteSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishon-son Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 the gitzit tube dont hold up here in lk. st. clair....way to soft and thin...your better off dipping and making your bait thicker and stronger... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emptystringer81 Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 can you pick up the silica sand from a hobby store? How is the cost of the silica sand compared to the salt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Actually what you want is called glass beads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWMAN CUSTOM BAITS Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 What grit glass beads are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonteSS Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) 80-120 i believe. Got it on Ebay They WILL scratch the heck out of your injector piston. O-ring still seals fine tho Edited August 23, 2015 by MonteSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
