Where To Get Pvc?

[RiverMan]

I was at Home Depot recently and asked the lumber guy if they had any PVC decking. He looked at me like what are you taking about? I would like to try some PVC decking but can't seem to find it. I don't even know what it looks like. Can someone tell me where they get it?

Thanks.

RM

[SNOWMAN CUSTOM BAITS]

I got mine at lowes. Its on the back wall with the other trim boards

[Travis]

I usually end up getting molding in whatever size/design is the cheapest when I go.   

 

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Veranda-7318-1-in-x-4-in-x-96-in-PVC-Primed-White-Trimplank-S4S-Moulding-0731808003/203822134

 

Brick molding at Menard's ends up being the cheapest I can find typically as it seams to always have a damaged end and is on clearance. 

Edited August 19, 2015 by Travis

[RayburnGuy]

If you can find it locally you can always order from the link below.

 

Ben

 

http://www.azek.com/

[JRammit]

Azek is probably the way to go

The trim i found at Lowes is textured on one side... The trim i found at Home Depot has holes and grooves in the middle

Both still work, but reqire extra steps/attention

But i didnt see decking at either of my local stores

Edited August 19, 2015 by JRammit

[Travis]

Textured could be a deal breaker depending on ones tools but as long as the thickness is there a few passes on the table saw and all good.  The stuff I get at Menard's doesn't have issues with voids or bubbles.  The Veranda at HD was fine but I only  bought a piece from them and know others have had hit and miss issues.  Photo shows the Menard's stuff after breaking it down on the table saw.  The sticker side still has the finish.

 

Edited August 19, 2015 by Travis

[RiverMan]

Thanks. I will check Home Depot again.

[Matt M]

They keep it in the mill works dept. at the lowes where I live. It's on the molding aisle.

[Jdeee]

. Archie Bunker singing those where the days LOL when sales clerks knew the products they sold and where not called sales associates. The Ass part shows through more than anything.

Edited August 19, 2015 by Jdeee

[mark poulson]

When you pay minimum wage, and only hire part timers to avoid paying benefits, that's what you get.

[Jdeee]

That's the future I guess. The only jobs out there are with Walmart type stores. All the manufacturing jobs are offshore. Kids coming out of university only to work at Macdos. If you are over 50 you better not loose your job or the only thing available will be a greeter at SAMs store. It the devolution of the the American Dream. It's a shame to see where things have gone.

[Vodkaman]

I know we have gotten off subject, but I really enjoyed Bob’s post. I am sure we have all come across this attitude thing, it is based on knowledge pride and is a very western fault. Staff who have worked in the store for a few years and think they know it all, but don’t and feel belittled if they are forced to learn a little more.

The biggest problem is inexperienced staff, but this is not rocket science and will not take long to learn the basics of their products with a little effort. But who is going to make that effort when you are on minimum wages. Well this is a bad attitude. Do the job properly and if you don’t like the wages then find another job.

I went shopping in a tool store only a few days ago. It wasn’t a supermarket, but a counter store. The girl serving me had worked in accounts for seven years, but today she had to fill in at the counter. The first thing she said was that she knew very little about tools but would do her best. On top of these problems, we also had the language problems, but she did speak a little English.

I was buying a powered hand drill. It had to have hammer capability and a screw adjuster for speed control for screw driver use and not be too heavy. It took some explaining, but with the help of the customer next to me, we taught her all the features of the hand drills and she produced what I wanted.

Next I wanted an angle grinder machine with a flapwheel attachment. I chose the 750W version and we had a teaching session on Wattages and power. She plugged the machine in for me, but it was way too fast for the lighter jobs and had no speed control. She now knew exactly what I wanted and came back with the perfect machine.

I now wanted a Dremel, but they did not stock Dremel. The machines that they had were way too big and clumsy for my application. I acted out an engraving action, holding the huge machine like a pen. Her eyes lit up and she disappeared into the stockroom and came back with a dusty old box. She removed a motor with a flexi-drive and a foot switch. Her experience in stock control solved the problem this time and I got a superb piece of kit.

The staff, other customers and myself all helped this girl to solve my problems and taught her some engineering. She taught them a little about stock control and everyone connected with a good attitude and lots of smiles. Opening all the boxes for the stuff that did not work for me was no inconvenience to them. All that mattered to the staff was that I got exactly what I wanted. I shook hands with the staff and congratulated the girl on a good job.

This is how tool shopping should be, regardless of how much you get paid. As pay rates go, this staff would have been equally low paid as staff in western stores, but they took pride in their job, not the knowledge which is just a tool to help them do the job better.

Dave

[JRammit]

What ive noticed at my local Lowes... Most of the staff is young attractive females

I don't really care if they know where stuff is, i just enjoy following them on the search

[mark poulson]

Hahaha...Bob, you're such a meanie!

I had my own company for 40 years, and, before that, I was a union carpenter for 11 years.

When I made journeyman, my take home was a little over $100 a week.  When I left the union, they were taking more than that out of my check for withholding and benefits, and a journeyman was making $25+- an hour.

When I folded my business, carpenters were making roughly the same $25/hour, even though the cost of living in the 40 years had gone up astronomically.

Real wages, in relation to the cost of living, have been in a 40 year decline, and so has minimum wage, even though the wealth in this country has grown exponentially. 

We don't see the benefits of that wealth because it is earned oversees, on the backs of cheap labor, and using the tools and methods first developed here, by US workers.  All we see is service jobs, to serve the wealthy.  If you have a needed skill, you're paid.  If not, you're ignored.

That is not the American way.  A person willing to work hard 40 hours a week should be able to survive, raise a family, and build a future for their kids.

This race to the bottom/dog-eat-dog system is not how we insure a decent future for our kids.  All it does is make rich people richer, at our expense.

[Vodkaman]

Bob - indeed yes. If you are very good at your job, there is more chance of promotion and less chance of eviction. It is not that difficult to learn about the products that you are selling.

Stores should take a leaf from Facebook and introduce the like system; take a 'like' card, write the staff name, write name and phone number, insert in 'Like' box. If someone helps you beyond 'third isle, top shelf', you would have no problem making that little effort.

Dave

[JRammit]

Bob - indeed yes. If you are very good at your job, there is more chance of promotion and less chance of eviction. It is not that difficult to learn about the products that you are selling.

Stores should take a leaf from Facebook and introduce the like system; take a 'like' card, write the staff name, write name and phone number, insert in 'Like' box. If someone helps you beyond 'third isle, top shelf', you would have no problem making that little effort.

Dave

1st card goes to the girl in paint... I know exactly where Durhams Water Puddy is, but she has no problem showing me every visit anyway

[RiverMan]

Wow, what happened to the PVC discussion?

I found the PVC, cut a bait out, installed screws. I have not tested it yet. First impression is it's very soft and I'm not sure I would trust it on big fish and I'm also concerned with the amount of lead it will take to get it to sink. I do like how it cuts and shapes, messy but easy.

RM

Edited August 20, 2015 by RiverMan

[Vodkaman]

You need to do a pull test for your own confidence:

Set up a simple test piece, hang from a roof beam or door frame. A bucket of water hanging from the bait eye. An average bucket will hold 10 Liters = 10Kg = 22Lb.

My pull tests have supported this weight and more for 48 hours. I would say that if it holds 10 liters for 24 hours then you are good.

Dave

[JRammit]

The trim is very bouyant, great for floating/diving crank baits

I haven't used the decking yet, but ive read that it is more dense than the trim.. Perhaps better for a sinking bait

[mark poulson]

I've found the AZEK decking is stronger, and slightly less buoyant, than their trim board, about the same as poplar.

I drill tight pilot holes for my hardware, screw the sst screw eyes in and back out again, to cut threads into the PVC, then coat with brush-on super glue and run them back in.  The excess makes a little mound around the eye, and keeps it from turning.

I have never had a screw eye come out.

I've make baits with the trim that are only 1/2" thick, and the largest bass I've caught on that one is 7 lbs.

PVC doesn't like impacts with concrete.  It can crack where any lip is cut into it.

But I've fished cranks, jerkbaits, glidebaits, and jointed swimbaits made from it since JR Hopkins first suggested using it, and never had a bait fail from a fish.

[spoonpluggergino]

Do a search on outdoor deck builders, some of these builders carry PVC Deckboard, that is how I found mine

Gino

[mark poulson]

I did like Ben suggested, and ordered it online from Home Depot.  It will be delivered to my local store for me to pick up, and they'll notify me by email when it arrives.

[spoonpluggergino]

Hey Riverman

If you are worried about the screws pulling out, do what I do drill holes where you are going to install screws and the line screw eye, depending on the size of the bait, you can use hard wood dowel pins, from a 1/4 inch to 1/2 dowel pins, epoxy the wood pin in to the PVC and than install the screws, they will not come out. I do this on my PVC muskie baits and some over sized bass baits for muskie

 

Gino