Brandt Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Hello, Here's my newest prototype , its still prototype! Its a bladebait with change able skin/soft cover. Blade_bait_soft.MOV Blade_bait_soft.MOV Blade_bait_soft.MOV Blade_bait_soft.MOV Blade_bait_soft.MOV Blade_bait_soft.MOV Blade_bait_soft.MOV Blade_bait_soft.MOV Blade_bait_soft.MOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 You should upload your Video to YouTube, then post a link. This way we don't need to download any large files. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) You should upload your Video to YouTube, then post a link. This way we don't need to download any large files. Dave sorry Dave, i cant edit first post !! but here's link Edited September 10, 2015 by Brandt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Much better - thank you. Very nice job on the lure. The swim action is not visible unfortunately. It is very difficult, I know, to work the lure and video at the same time. Next time, hold the camera still and pull the lure past the field of view. Better still, if you can mount the camera on a tripod, but not absolutely necessary for success. Look through other videos like what you want to produce and see how they did it. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Much better - thank you. Very nice job on the lure. The swim action is not visible unfortunately. It is very difficult, I know, to work the lure and video at the same time. Next time, hold the camera still and pull the lure past the field of view. Better still, if you can mount the camera on a tripod, but not absolutely necessary for success. Look through other videos like what you want to produce and see how they did it. Dave Yes, i know video is really shitty. I just tested it first time on water and filmed it with iphone its gonna be much better video later, when bait is finished here is other bait that i made, ( much better video) Mikael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 The second video is very professional. You have obviously put a lot of development into this lure idea. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 The second video is very professional. You have obviously put a lot of development into this lure idea. Dave yes. i try to make little bit different kind of lures , not like "most have seen" Mikael 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 The spoon bait is awesome!... Nice work!!! Cameras on phones are finicky, but thats all i use... Obviously clear water is a must, but i also find shallow water makes better footage than deep water for some reason..... The lure seems to disappear into the background if i film in deep water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 The 'S' shaped spoon is one of my favorite lures and I have had a lot of success with it, on trout, perch and pike. This is the one swimming lure (as opposed to spinning) that I have not yet figured out the fluid dynamics. Your lure shows a super impersonation of a dying fish, but have you ever managed to get it to swim with the traditional wide waggle. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 The spoon bait is awesome!... Nice work!!! Cameras on phones are finicky, but thats all i use... Obviously clear water is a must, but i also find shallow water makes better footage than deep water for some reason..... The lure seems to disappear into the background if i film in deep water thx. Soo true with phone cameras , but they are better than nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 The 'S' shaped spoon is one of my favorite lures and I have had a lot of success with it, on trout, perch and pike. This is the one swimming lure (as opposed to spinning) that I have not yet figured out the fluid dynamics. Your lure shows a super impersonation of a dying fish, but have you ever managed to get it to swim with the traditional wide waggle. Dave its diffucult to get it swim perfectly and i have to compromise in few places ! but it fishes very good pikes, trout , perch and zander atleast here in Finland Because it has soft skin and i wanted it to be changeable ( hook position) package has extra skin on it, so when soft skin is damaged its easy to change it, we also sell extra skins seperately Mikael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I have no doubt at all of its catching abilities. Also, the soft exterior will no doubt cause the fish to hold on that fraction longer than a hard metal spoon, an advantage that will give a higher percentage of hook-ups. The interchangeable feature of the lure is progressive and original, and I like it very much. I am now going to have to think more about the fluid mechanics of the lure and see if I can work out how the 'S' spoon works, as it has been several years since I last thought about it without success. My knowledge and understanding of lure mechanics has moved on, so I may have enough to crack it. Only understanding the fluid mechanics will lead to the waggle action. This lure has grabbed my interest, hope you don't mind Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I have no doubt at all of its catching abilities. Also, the soft exterior will no doubt cause the fish to hold on that fraction longer than a hard metal spoon, an advantage that will give a higher percentage of hook-ups. The interchangeable feature of the lure is progressive and original, and I like it very much. I am now going to have to think more about the fluid mechanics of the lure and see if I can work out how the 'S' spoon works, as it has been several years since I last thought about it without success. My knowledge and understanding of lure mechanics has moved on, so I may have enough to crack it. Only understanding the fluid mechanics will lead to the waggle action. This lure has grabbed my interest, hope you don't mind Dave Weight balance , shape of the spoon , hook position /size (soft spoon case) , material of the spoon, mikael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Indeed, all these are factors that will have an effect on whether the action works or not. What I am talking about though, is what does the water do to force the action. Vortices drive the lure, but notice how the lure section always stands vertical and swings from side-to-side. Questions: what causes the vertical attitude? How does the lure start? Where do the vortices form? At what point in the cycle do they form? How do the vortices tie together? I can answer the first question and the last question. No2 is the hardest. Once I work out No3 and 4, No2 will follow and then I will be able to see a complete picture. Once I have the picture, I can apply the effect that the plastisol glove has and changing the hook position has. I should then be able to suggest modifications that will re-introduce the waggle. Just had a look and cannot find my bag of old lures. This contained all my early work and I know there were a couple of spoons in there. This is such a shame, there was some weird and wonderful stuff in that bag. I will just have to model it on CAD and use that. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Ive been thinking about spoons for a while, but i havnt come up with a concept that i like yet....... Im like you Brandt, i have a hard time making a lure that has been made before.. I have to change something or it isnt mine Dave, I learn by watching.. Found some videos a while back of a guy with some sort of "test tunnel".... I looked them up again, heres one i liked, maybe it will help you on your quest Fishing lure Test tank lure testing Dec 2011.wmv: You are the fluid mechanics expert, maybe you can gather more from this than i did What i see: A spoon is basically the opposite of a crank bait... - while the crank bait is a battle between buoyancy and fluid pressure, a spoon is a battle between gravity and lift -Body WIDTH and lip angle dictate the attitude of the crank bait.. For the spoon its LENGTH and bend angle - the frequency of a crank bait is predicted by balast and lip width, like a pendulum with weight and distance... The spoon seems eratic, but i can almost see a pattern/cycle to the action... Maybe that's where your vortex comes into play 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 JR - great video. I think I have it straight in my head now. I need my test tank so that I can confirm my thoughts. Don't know when that is going to happen though. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I remember back before i got my test tank, there was some other way to test lures...? I think it was called go fishing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I just found another video by the same guy. This one tells a much more detailed story and really has me re-thinking. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 The view from behind tells the whole story Also makes me wanna start using slow-mo in my test videos! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I have the camera for the job, but I can't download the software for managing the slo-mo, some problem with the secondary program needed to run the primary. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Ive been thinking about spoons for a while, but i havnt come up with a concept that i like yet....... Im like you Brandt, i have a hard time making a lure that has been made before.. I have to change something or it isnt mine Dave, I learn by watching.. Found some videos a while back of a guy with some sort of "test tunnel".... I looked them up again, heres one i liked, maybe it will help you on your quest Fishing lure Test tank lure testing Dec 2011.wmv: You are the fluid mechanics expert, maybe you can gather more from this than i did What i see: A spoon is basically the opposite of a crank bait... - while the crank bait is a battle between buoyancy and fluid pressure, a spoon is a battle between gravity and lift -Body WIDTH and lip angle dictate the attitude of the crank bait.. For the spoon its LENGTH and bend angle - the frequency of a crank bait is predicted by balast and lip width, like a pendulum with weight and distance... The spoon seems eratic, but i can almost see a pattern/cycle to the action... Maybe that's where your vortex comes into play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Ive been thinking about spoons for a while, but i havnt come up with a concept that i like yet....... Im like you Brandt, i have a hard time making a lure that has been made before.. I have to change something or it isnt mine Dave, I learn by watching.. Found some videos a while back of a guy with some sort of "test tunnel".... I looked them up again, heres one i liked, maybe it will help you on your quest Fishing lure Test tank lure testing Dec 2011.wmv: You are the fluid mechanics expert, maybe you can gather more from this than i did What i see: A spoon is basically the opposite of a crank bait... - while the crank bait is a battle between buoyancy and fluid pressure, a spoon is a battle between gravity and lift -Body WIDTH and lip angle dictate the attitude of the crank bait.. For the spoon its LENGTH and bend angle - the frequency of a crank bait is predicted by balast and lip width, like a pendulum with weight and distance... The spoon seems eratic, but i can almost see a pattern/cycle to the action... Maybe that's where your vortex comes into play Soo true with hard to find something newBut i still have few ideas on my mind , but i post those whem i have tested them Here is my first invention jigwobbler what i did few years ago Edited September 10, 2015 by Brandt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Soo true with hard to find something new But i still have few ideas on my mind , but i post those whem i have tested them Here is my first invention jigwobbler what i did few years ago 2 original AND impressive designs here!.. I like your style!! And youve obviously taken it beyond a hobby... An inspiration to a guy like me!..... Im just getting started, but maybe someday!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandt Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 2 original AND impressive designs here!.. I like your style!! And youve obviously taken it beyond a hobby... An inspiration to a guy like me!..... Im just getting started, but maybe someday!? Thx ! Follow your dreams and ideas ! Make them happend ! Mikael 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
