Basseducer Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Has anyone had success molding in the center pin screw-loc into Do-It molds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wootonc Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 I have not tried them yet Was going to but when I placed my order at shorty's they told me they no longer carry them because of some issue with owner hooks. But would like to get a hold of some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basseducer Posted October 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 I found some at Barlow's, but they look like it would take some mold modification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcool3 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 how about inserting 00 or 0 size sinker eyes into the jig, screw loc can be attached to the sinker eyes afterwards. Easy mold modification - just drill out a circle big enough to accomodate the sinker eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basseducer Posted October 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 I was asked about putting one of these pins into a shaky head .I can try making a thin wire eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) TJ, I picked up quite a few bags of the centerpin screwlocks in the small and the large size when Shortys sold out their stock. Yes they could not sell them because of patent infringement of an Owner product. With that said, the smallest of the centerpin screwloc diameters is (.193 diameter). This will definitely not fit in any but the biggest of Do-it jig molds. I have to look, but I thought there was a guy making smaller ones that fit in the 1/8" weedguard hole. I will look into this and contact you guys if I get any info. Edited October 28, 2015 by cadman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apdriver Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 I remember this center pin discussion maybe a couple years ago and the patent by owner and you couldn't buy them. Has the patent run out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 No it has not. You cannot make and sell these. However you can make and trade, as long as no monies is exchanged. That is why Shorty's had to pull all of their stock. On another note, the centerpin screwlocks from Owner, are way overpriced. That's probably why someone made a knock-off cersion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Didn't someone post a how-to video a while back, showing how to make them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apdriver Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 JB has em 3 for a buck....well actually, Buck plus a nickel. Made my eyes water a little. One thing about Owner, they're not cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Didn't someone post a how-to video a while back, showing how to make them? Mark, Yes, someone did post on how to make screwlocks, however they were not with the centerpin if I recall correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) JB has em 3 for a buck....well actually, Buck plus a nickel. Made my eyes water a little. One thing about Owner, they're not cheap. Cheapest I found them at one time was .75 each. Way overpriced is a better choice of words. But like they say if you don't like the price don't buy them. LOL Edited October 28, 2015 by cadman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basseducer Posted October 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Barlow's has them in three sizes for $17.50 per 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Barlow's has them in three sizes for $17.50 per 50. Thanks, but I bought several thousand of different sizes when Shorty's sold his stash. So I'm set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 I made some center pin screw locks a while back, and while they weren't the prettiest things, they did function. Don't have a video camera, but I will try to describe the way they were made. I first took a finishing nail that was of the appropriate size and drilled a hole down through it lengthwise. A piece of stainless wire was then folded to create a loop at one end. One leg of the wire was then placed into the hole in the nail and the "corkscrew" was formed by wrapping the other leg of the wire around the nail. It takes a good bit of manual dexterity to hold everything in your hands, (especially when you have bear paws for hands) but it would be easy enough to make a jig to hold the nail for you. This was done more as a proof of concept than to actually mass produce screw locks. If you decide to try this the screw locks will require some tweaking with a pair of needle nose pliers to align the wire loop and get it centered over the top of the center pin, but it can be done. Ben 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 I made some center pin screw locks a while back, and while they weren't the prettiest things, they did function. Don't have a video camera, but I will try to describe the way they were made. I first took a finishing nail that was of the appropriate size and drilled a hole down through it lengthwise. A piece of stainless wire was then folded to create a loop at one end. One leg of the wire was then placed into the hole in the nail and the "corkscrew" was formed by wrapping the other leg of the wire around the nail. It takes a good bit of manual dexterity to hold everything in your hands, (especially when you have bear paws for hands) but it would be easy enough to make a jig to hold the nail for you. This was done more as a proof of concept than to actually mass produce screw locks. If you decide to try this the screw locks will require some tweaking with a pair of needle nose pliers to align the wire loop and get it centered over the top of the center pin, but it can be done. Ben Hey Ben, Very cool, I am going to try to make some that fit a 1/8" diameter pin. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 My jig would be 1/8 SS tube with a slot filed one end. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Hope you find it useful Ted. I'm like Mark though. I thought there was a video a couple years back of a jig someone had made to make these things. Couldn't find it though. That's essentially what I had ( didn't have any tubing that small) with the hole drilled through the nail Dave except didn't think about putting a slot in it to hold the eye. The slot would make things a lot easier. Ben 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Hey guys, I just looked at Tackle Warehouse and they had the Owner screw locks with the centering pin. The price was $16.99 for 50 of the small ( 1/8" ) and medium ( 3/16" ). The price for the large ( 1/4" ) was $16.99 for a 45 count. The 8 packs were $3.99 for all sizes. Looked at a few different places and Tackle Warehouse had the best prices. Hope this helps some of you. Ben 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 What type of sst wire do they use, and what gauge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) The info at Tackle Warehouse doesn't say anything about what type of stainless wire they use or what gauge it is Mark. Not that I could find anyway. Here's the link. http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Owner_CPS_Spring/descpage-OCPSS.html Ben p.s. If you buy the small and medium sizes in the 50 count it averages out to a tad over 30 cents apiece. The large is sold in a 45 count and averages out to be a wee bit under 38 cents apiece. Edited October 29, 2015 by RayburnGuy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Bob - the patent number is 43215509, inventors: Nakamichi; Shigeyuki (Nishiwaki, JP), Assignee: Owner American, Inc. (Costa Mesa, CA). Date Filed: November 8, 2007. This patent is current. Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 As far as what material would be used, I know for a fact, that I would be using 302 spring tempered stainless steel. When rolled it will hold its shape. Don't quote me on this, but I got this info from a spring guy awhile back. You don't want anything annealed, because it would be too soft. Now the centerpin screwlocks I got from Shortys were spring tempered, and unlike Owner, the material was on the dull side. In order to get it shiny, I believe you have to get the springs electropolished, which is another process. This is maybe why the cost of the Owner centerpin screwlock cost more. But that is just a guess. This is about all I remember in regards to making springs and wire forms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 ... or hammer it into your work bench. Don't think that will work Bob. At least not for long. Drilling a hole down through the nail has left it with thin walls and no head. I also wouldn't want a nail sticking up where I work all the time so it would have to be removed after each use. (at least for me) Driving and removing the hollowed out nail with no head and thin walls would seem to end up in the destruction of the nail. Drilling out a new nail might not be a monumental task if you've got a good drill press, but if it's got the slightest bit of wobble in the chuck it can be a real pain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Ben - I would certainly keep an eye out for suitable tube materials, even brass tube would work for this job. I would drill and mount into a block of wood and mount in the bench vise. Obviously a spring material would be the best wire for the job, but I think it would be worth testing the standard annealed wire that we commonly use, it may well be stiff enough for the purpose, keeping in mind that the act of forming the coils actually work hardens the wire and will improve the stiffness. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
