diemai Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) Im realizing real quick that im out of my league on this one!..... I did accomplish one thing.. Over the past two nights i successfully made the worlds ugliest dowel rod I dont give up easily, so ill keep at it! Thanks for the links to the videos Dieter.. You certainly do make it look too easy!...... One question so far, you talked about the primer, but i didnt hear what kind it is Thanks a lot , .....the white primer paint , that I'm using is also acrylic , hence water-based ,......and has filler properties , as stated on the can . One can sand these primer layers smooth , if desired , ....I do not do such , as with my painting techniques I get a rough surface , anyway , ...which is later evened out by the following epoxy topcoats , but when spraypainting the lures or employing different brush painting techniques(f. e. like member "littleriver's" pastel painting) , one would need a smpooth surface to work on . In former times I had used model making enamels , since I was used to these from my boyhood making plastic models , but years ago I've switched to acrylic paints , as these do offer a few advantages over those solvent-based model making enamels . ......first is , that one can get more variety of colors , the model making enamels are only all kinds of more ore less dull camou colors(because most models are military vehicles or aircraft) , but hardly any brighter colors available , ......second is , that it's harder to stir those enamel colors together to mix different tones , absolutely no problem with acrylics . .......third is , that acrylics don't smell and usually dry faster(well , apart from that color kit from supermarket sales in the video). .........fourth is, that with acrylic paints one can be more versatile utilizing different painting techniques. You also do not have to utilize brushes alone , .......you can apply acrylic paint with different things to achieve different patterns ,...so far I had used toothpicks with cut-off tips , pieces of household sponges , earcleaner sticks and even slightly crumpled-up pieces of newspaper , .......and I'm sure, that there would be quite a few different options more ! Regarding brushes , ........when painting on solid base colors , you'd utilize the normal soft-bristled brushes , that every young schoolkid is familiar to , .......when utilizing that technique as displayed in the video , you'd take hard-bristled brushes , .......but I'm sure , that I'm only familar to a fraction of hand painting techniques to be used on lures , .......so there is plenty of room for interesting experiments . And what I had found is , that it is more likely to identify certain luremaker's handbrush paint work rather more than airbrush work , ...at least a little bit , ...since every handbrusher would develop a different and personal style through his painting carreer . Greetings , Dieter PS : If YOU think , that your lure is ugly , ...don't forget , that it's the fishies and not YOU having the last say ! Edited November 21, 2015 by diemai 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted November 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Thanks for the encouragement Dieter! The problem im having is getting the paint to look like paint... Its looking more like a scribbled marker When i paint over the bare wood, it grabs the paint and looks fine.... But when i go back over that color (once dry) or try painting over the primer, i get dark strokes and strokes that look like colored water Ive painted walls in my house before, and any brush strokes left behind would dissapear once the paint dried... Not so in this case Either im doing something wrong, or this takes way more skill than i imagined!.... If its the second, then im in trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Try practicing on a piece of white poster board, as was suggested earlier. Once you've figured out how to brush, how to thin, and how to mix colors, it will be easier to move to your lures. It takes both time and practice, like throwing a baitcaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemai Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) @ JRammit Hhm ,...I must admit , that I am clueless about your problem , ......maybe has to do with diluting your paints , which I had never done . I do not bother about visible brush strokes , even sometimes utilizing them to make up for a pattern , applying 3-4 different colors together in a wet-in-wet technique , which obviously is the fastest way to brush paint . If you want shading coming close to sprayed lures , you need to have each layer dry prior to putting on the next one ,...and ,....very important , ...you need to use and almost dry hard-bristled brush to be able to apply only very , very little paint at a time, .....you'd virtually rub the paint over the previous color layer , leaving it to still show through the newly applied color , .......all in all a time-consuming method , yet providing better looks . Also you would have to sand your primer coats perfectly smooth , so they'd be bare of any prominent woodgrain or primer brush strokes , because when rubbing on paint with that almost dry brush , the paint would set onto the prominent parts first and leave the lower parts uncovered , this way a "stroke" pattern will show. Would also happen , when spraying , though , ..depending on the spray angle and amount of paint sprayed on . I do not bother about this brush stroke thingi ,.....once dry , my paintjobs feel as rough as oil paintings ,...but finally three epoxy coats would even out the lure's surface again . But if you'd check out the gallery for user "littleriver's" lures , you'd find his own paint techniques to be entirely different to mine ,.......I'm just too lazy for proper sanding smooth prior to painting ,....my interest in luremaking points towards technical aspects rather than elaborate paintjobs , anyway. Sadly "littleriver" hasn't been here for quite a while now , but I own a few of his lures , ...he is using visible brush strokes to be be a part of his patterns , namely to make up for a darker back portion of his lures most likely painted in a bright base color , ......he even went into experiments painting his lures with pastel chalks . As Mark stated , try to find your own painting techniques by trying on paper or cardboard , ......you will soon generate some ideas to try on your lures as well . Also there are YouTube videos about acrylic painting , ...naturally dealing on big paintings , but maybe you could adapt something displayed in there for lures as well . Don't set your goals too high for the start ,..believe me , you could achive a catching pattern with just three or four different colors , ..even without any shading , mixing or blending , ....f.e. a white lure with a solid red head and black specks over the white , dotted on with a crumbled piece of paper . There is not much to do wrong about brush painting ,...it's just about developping your own style ! Good luck , Dieter Edited November 21, 2015 by diemai 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Cleaning your brushes well between colors, and after each session, and never letting paint dry on them, is how you can use the same brushes for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 When you dilute your paints you are decreasing the quantity of pigment per given volume (poorer coverage). You also are effecting the ratio of pigments, binders, and solvent and changing the performance in regards to drying time, strength of the paint, adhesion, etc... You have thinned it too much and are getting non uniform distribution of the pigments. The Floetrol or similar has been made to not effect the performance of the paint (or much lesser extent) than trying to thin with water or typical solvents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted November 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 I didnt thin it at all... Strait from the bottle.... I shook it first, maybe not enough??... I did notice some colors worse than others On the brushes (brand new) i just sloshed in a cup of water til i couldn't see paint on it, then brushed on a paper towel to dry Ill try shaking the bottles up alot more and see if results change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted November 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 Ok... I think i found my problem! I just need to learn these colors!... Certain colors will not go over other colors Example: I tried brushing gold over my white primer, looks like hell! White showing thru between solid gold brush strokes.... But... Khaki goes on the white nice and smooth, and the gold goes over the khaki nice n smooth Now i am painting instead of just spreading paint around!.... Like i said, i dont give up easy!..... And when i suck at something, it makes me wanna do it more! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 (edited) I don't paint, so I should have nothing to say here, but I don't fly fighter jets either but still I have designed them. I have seen enough street artists with such skills they could make DaVinci cry and they rarely use brushes. There is more to painting than brushes. You have a wealth of foams and materials of different textures that need exploring, not just drill bits for doing eyes. Dave Edited November 22, 2015 by Vodkaman 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemai Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 @ JRammit Yeah ,....metallic colors could be a pain in the butt at times , ....when using them as a solid base color , one would have to put on one or two extra layers to achieve full coverage compared to other colors . Here is something , that I've found in the web to possibly come in handy for those, that do not want to buy too many single colors , but mix their own tones out of a few existing colors : http://trycolors.com/ I've actually never done such , as I'm quite lazy about painting , .....but I remember to have learned about it back in my school's art lessons . Greetz , Dieter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted November 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 @ JRammit Yeah ,....metallic colors could be a pain in the butt at times , ....when using them as a solid base color , one would have to put on one or two extra layers to achieve full coverage compared to other colors . Here is something , that I've found in the web to possibly come in handy for those, that do not want to buy too many single colors , but mix their own tones out of a few existing colors : http://trycolors.com/ I've actually never done such , as I'm quite lazy about painting , .....but I remember to have learned about it back in my school's art lessons . Greetz , Dieter Now that is a cool, handy little tool there!!!... Thanks D! A friend of mine whose done a lot of automotive paint work suggested i use different shades of gray as a basecoat.. That it will work under almost any color...... Im gonna give that a shot too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 Now that is a cool, handy little tool there!!!... Thanks D! A friend of mine whose done a lot of automotive paint work suggested i use different shades of gray as a basecoat.. That it will work under almost any color...... Im gonna give that a shot too The book I recommended and also some of Bob Berry's cover the use of gray paint for primer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 However you achieve the effect you want is the correct way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted November 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Someone said "practice, practice, practice"... So here is a practice paint job on a practice lure i casted in a practice mold sent to me from another member Used my Bulls Eye primer.. Base coat is Khaki acrylic... 3 coats of metalic gold... Solid black head and back, and my attempt at some fine black striping A few "missed strokes"... But it sure looks better than that dowel rod! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrhopkins Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 looks good. better than my first paint jobs ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrhopkins Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 off topic , the young man in my avatar is my grandson at 4 years with his first fish ever. this week at 12 years old he got his first buck. picture: being 12, playing hookie from school and running around the woods armed ! does it get any better than that ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted November 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Thanks jr!... I wasnt expecting a compliment, just posted it to show i havnt given up I did practice on cardboard pieces first, couldnt come up with a pattern i liked (or could achieve), so i just started painting this one aimlessly....... Turned out better than i expected, but i didnt expect much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted November 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 off topic , the young man in my avatar is my grandson at 4 years with his first fish ever. this week at 12 years old he got his first buck. picture: being 12, playing hookie from school and running around the woods armed ! does it get any better than that ! No it doesnt!... And you're doin it right! I remember every fish my son has caught, but i cant remember which was the first??..... But he did get his first duck last year, and ill never forget that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemai Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 @ JRammit Now , that one turned out nicely , ...I like the way , those stripes and back kinda blend into the gold underneath , not having turned out that solid . You're on the right path for sure , .......greetings , Dieter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 off topic , the young man in my avatar is my grandson at 4 years with his first fish ever. this week at 12 years old he got his first buck. picture: being 12, playing hookie from school and running around the woods armed ! does it get any better than that ! John, It's good to see a young man "running around the woods armed" instead of sitting on a couch playing video games. We need more like him. Ben 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted November 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Thanks Dieter!.... I also learned, when i mess up, this paint washes off easy!... So technically that was my second try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemai Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 @JRammit I hope , you mean that while it's still wet , it washes off ? If not , you might get into trouble when applying your topcoats , ........but after my experiences acrylic paints are usually not as vulnerable compared to solvent based paints . Greetz , Dieter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted November 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) Yes, first i tried your mottled technique.. I had a nice looking piece of cardboard doing that, but when i tried on the lure it didnt turn out so well..... A wet paper towel got the wet paint off fairly easy so i could start over The second time i was happy enough not to wash it off again Edited November 23, 2015 by JRammit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man 26 Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 I highly recommend Johns swimbait video. It shows his technique of painting with a deerfoot brush by hand. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted November 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Where do i find that video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
