Bassfisher1 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) I had a request to do a simple Dolphin color. The problem is that they want the finished lure to have a flat paint look, no glossy look. How do I obtain a matte finish without sacrificing my topcoats? I think Berkley Flicker Shads use to offer the flat colors. Edited January 25, 2016 by Bassfisher1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 If you aren't doing a lot of them hand sanding goes quick enough. I used flexible sanding sticks, the foam centered ones shaped like pop sickle sticks and craft foam (sticky) back and make sanding pads to use also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassfisher1 Posted January 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) Thanks Travis but I plan on doing more than a couple of crankbaits. I need a more efficient way. I can normally think my way thru things but this one has me puzzled. Edited January 25, 2016 by Bassfisher1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbf Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 I think there is a flat finish mcu. I'll try to find what it is. I was thinking about buying some at one time. Try to search it on here as well and see if u can find how others done it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodtimesfishing Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 kbs diamond kote has a matte finish, I have not tried it just saw it on their website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassfisher1 Posted January 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 I have been going thru some older posts about this same subject and have found a couple of things to try. Plastic Dip clear aerosol spray and Cerakote, M161 overcoat. It seems most like the Plastic Dip as is leaves a durable matte finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
School Master Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Let us know how the plasti-dip works, sounds interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 This is a tough one, as even those durable topcoats that have matte properties are not truly matte. Ironically, matte or gloss, both look the same under water, so other than satisfying a customer's request, it is pointless. Give a gloss bait the treatment with a very fine emery, to make it as matte as possible. Hold it under water alongside a gloss bait for comparison. If I am right, show the comparison to the customer and change his mind. Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 I agree with Dave. I've sanded the top coat on a bait to give it a "matte" finish and then submerged it in water. You can't tell the difference between it and a bait that hasn't been sanded. Ben 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zygotor Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 I sell a number of lures from an Asian company and one of their colours comes in a very nice matte finish. It is a pure matte finish and looks and feels very different to normal coated lures both above and below the water. It doesn't actually look like there is a top coat on it, so I suspect it may be some special paint they use. It is a very tough finish and is actually more durable then their standard top coated lures. I sent them off an email tonight to see if they will give up any secrets about the paint/top coat, if I get any info I will update the topic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassfisher1 Posted January 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 That would be great info to have, Zygotor!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Might want to use your normal topcoat and once set spray the lure with Testors/Model Master (whatever they are calling it now) flat lacquer in the rattle can. Might need only a misting to get the effect or maybe a light coat over the entire bait. Adhesion should be satisfactory and any areas that get rubbed will have hook rash anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePaintsBaits Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) I'm Thinking That A Matte Finished Bait Will Have Less Light Reflection vs A Glossy Clear Coat Under The Water , By How Much , I Don't Have That Answer. As Said Above , The Matte Bait Will Still Look Glossy Under Water. Mike Edited January 25, 2016 by MikePaintsBaits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwfflipper Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 I had a request to do a simple Dolphin color. The problem is that they want the finished lure to have a flat paint look, no glossy look. How do I obtain a matte finish without sacrificing my topcoats? I think Berkley Flicker Shads use to offer the flat colors. I think the only real way to get a matte finish is use a matte lacquer paint. A lot of the older baits I've seen that was a matte finish did not have a topcoat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent I Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 Don't know what your color scheme is, but if it's simple, you might try adding pigment to the epoxy top coat, then running them through a vibratory finisher with the appropriate grit. To Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrhopkins Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 d2t topcoat then 5/0 steel wool 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21xdc Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 The tests in my aquarium shows that gloss finish lures reflect light and sanded dull lures do not. There is a difference to me. Do the fish care? I doubt it. LOL. I have used a scotch brite pad to dull my gloss down in the past. If I was to do bigger quantities, I would use a tumbler with correct grit for a short time. Make sure the finish has plenty of mil finish, or you will be getting into the paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21xdc Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) PS: The KBS Diamond clear that is Matte and Flat finish is a 2 part Urethane. I try and stay away from 2 part anything. It's called KBS Maxx Clear Edited January 26, 2016 by 21xdc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassfisher1 Posted January 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) Has anyone every tried the Createx matte finish topcoat? Maybe another option? Edited January 26, 2016 by Bassfisher1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordanlures Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 You might try soda in a soda blaster if you have one available, a quick pass will Matt the finish David J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zygotor Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) Lure company got back to me and apparently they use a matte paint only, there is no top coat. What ever paint they use it is super tough, but they weren't giving up any secrets. Edited January 27, 2016 by Zygotor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassfisher1 Posted January 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) Lure company got back to me and apparently they use a matte paint only, there is no top coat. What ever paint they use it is super tough, but they weren't giving up any secrets. Well that's too bad, I was in hopes of having a viable solution. This weekend I'm planning on trying the "Plastic Dip". I will post results once I have completed. I may order some matte finish topcoat to try also. As far as matte paints go, I agree with Jeff on the lacquer paints being an option but I don't know how they will hold up without the topcoat. I'm also not setup to work with lacquers. I prefer water-based paint. Edited January 27, 2016 by Bassfisher1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent I Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 The tests in my aquarium shows that gloss finish lures reflect light and sanded dull lures do not. There is a difference to me. Do the fish care? I doubt it. LOL. I have used a scotch brite pad to dull my gloss down in the past. If I was to do bigger quantities, I would use a tumbler with correct grit for a short time. Make sure the finish has plenty of mil finish, or you will be getting into the paint.In his LIFisherman article on building the jointed eel, Jack Frech recommends dulling the finish with steel wool, and says that he thinks dull finish plugs catch more fish than shiny ones. Fish don't look shiny when they are in the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joetheplumber Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 I'm not sure what your regular clear coat is but you could try to apply one coat of your normal CC, scuff it up, then try dipping it in the matte lacquer clear and see what happens. Seems like I've heard the best results came from using the matte Plasti-Dip but I haven't tried it before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassfisher1 Posted February 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Well I went to Lowes over the weekend and they did not have the PlasticDip in clear matte so I had to order it on Ebay. Sorry for the delay. Once I get results, I will post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
