goldenshinner Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 How can soft plastic be free of possible cancer causing phthalates if the worm oil used to lubricate them is concentrated phthalates? Does anyone offer biodegradable food grade worm oil? What about legal aspect's of supliing sented plastics that are suposed to be phthalte free and used in areas that don't slow these plastics.. Sorry.."don't allow" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLuvin175 Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Do you know the founder of GreenPeace left his own organization when his nut job followers wanted to ban the Chlorine atom? Because the "C" in PVC is Chlorine and PVC is bad in their opinion. Since that didn't go over well they took to the next best tactic by banning the plasticizers that make PVC soft. All these years later here we are, fretting about Phthalates. You also need to consider that most of the colorants added to plastisol contain phthalates as well in addition to worm oils. There are some alternatives but imagine that, they tend to be much more expensive or a entire different beast like "Gulp" or "Elaztech". There is no such thing as a Biodegradable Food Grade Worm oil, unless you are talking mineral oil; which isn't compatible with PVC baits. Don't mean to come across as rude but this topic gets me fired up. The hoops bereaucracies make you jump through and the lawyers just waiting till you slip up. My advice, don't go down that road; as in advertising Phthalate Free. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 What about, "Free Phthalates"? Was that word invented for Scrabble? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenshinner Posted April 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 As a consumer would you not feel cheated if you buy a kit that claims to be Phthalates free, only to find out later that the dyestuff used are soaking in pure Phthalates? And what about those manufacturers of adult toys some of which are probably on this forum, adapting the lure making technology to making jelly soft Phthalates free toys for use down south!this wreaks of class action lawsuit.manufacturers purposely hide these details from both the small manufacturer, and eventually the consumers themselves.all in the name of maintaining profits. From a fictional story that shares no basis to anything.i am trying to remember the detials from the book, what I can share. ..poor hobiest casting lures in a wealthy west side community, near a major lake ..say lake minnetonka, where it happens half a dozen of the wealthiest people in the state live. Two of whoes, kids go to the same day care that this hobiest sends his little kids to. One day, he decieds to make some custom candies in a maritime theme since its novalty would impress the “other”rich parents at said school. He runs out of typical flavors, and subsitutes with Worm oil flavors!!! One of which he purchased new from manufactuerer. The other purchased used as part of a collection of used lure making gear.the lable is partially pealled off. Doesn’t say anything about being cancersou or dangerous…he assumes its simply essintail oil bulk, same as that used for foods. So makes a bunch of neat and tasty candies,and distributes widely thru work and school.later finds out he just shoved phalate concentrate down everyones throat essentially, and super paranoid what will happen…in law although the hero in this fictional story may be legally liable, the manufacturers knowingly or unknowingly will share equally or some percentage of the fault. Since the broke ass hero has no asset vallue, he will bankrupt quickly and only ones to share the major penalty will be the original manufacturers…in this hypothetical case,. Of 7 years.. I am not at all trying to make people on this forum angry. At all! Please forgive, I am just a concerned consumer of sorts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majic man Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 First off, they do make Phthalate free plasticizer, worm oil is a generic name the bait making community has adapted. Second you as the consumer need to verify all the products going into the Phthalate free plastic are indeed Phthalate free if that is what your after. I do find it amusing companys preach about selling Phthalate free plastic, But sell all the additions to it unmarked... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Dinp can be replaced with many other products. And yes some can be costly. So if you found what type of products they were using you could make your own colorant. If you want to be green all the way that is. Your color palate would be limited. The company's that claim that are way bigger than the fishing industry (we are a speck on the wall for them) so if it were not true some big big lawyer would have already gotten them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenshinner Posted April 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Can anyone share which companies are offering authentic phthalate free worm oil,and collerants..I noticed do-it advertises there worm oil as made phthalte free..I had another manufacturer (who I will spare naming) admit there's is all phthalate basses, and at moment don't have interest.in changing.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) All M-F plastisols are Phthalate free and have been since 1970, all the coloring will be Phthalate free as the old colors are phased out. Now the problem is the larger suppliers that sale to companies or that we buy from might still say that word so I can't see 100% ever in the future, more like 90%. On another note blood bank blood bags contain Phthalates from reading but the country don't care much about that. We are phasing out all 1 ounce bottles to be free of this chemical but it will take time, worm oil is all Phthalates free and has been for over 5-7 years. Edited April 20, 2016 by jeff@mf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff@mf Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) The actual spelling of this word is all over the place , meaning spelled different.. Edited April 20, 2016 by jeff@mf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenshinner Posted April 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Big thank you to Jeff.. For thier honesty,and conversion to safer medium's.. No one else care to share info on other manufacturers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
