rufthumbs Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 does anyone know where to find the weight of different size treble hooks online? I can weigh and compare the hooks I have but it would be nice to know a hooks weight before buying them...I have emailed a couple "hook" folks and haven't received any information back... I appreciate any leads you may have.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 I've looked at a lot of trebles over the years and have never seen that info anywhere. Sorry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rufthumbs Posted May 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Bob...do you know if there is a difference in weight between a black nickel & bronze hook? I bought some Vmc short shank BN#2's and was surprised that they were just as heavy as anything else I had on hand...i guess I thought the shorter shank would equate to being lighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 VMC's wire seems pretty thick on average, in whatever style. If you want thinner lighter wire hooks I think you have to take a look at Japanese brands like Owner. The Japanese tend to use harder tempering which produces a treble with finer wire but equivalent strength (and more durable sharpness with easier penetration). When stressed to the max, they tend to break instead of bend, but that happens very rarely. I build baits for myself and family/friends. I mostly use Gamakatsu and Mustad KVD short shanks on most of my personal baits and VMC on the baits I give away because of the cost difference. Nothing wrong with VMC, I just prefer the extended sharpness of the Japanese brands. Honestly, we're talking about a hundredth of an ounce difference between a #4 treble hook between brands. That's only consequential for suspending jerkbaits. I build my baits to a targeted finished weight that includes whatever treble hooks I've decided to use, so it's really not an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rufthumbs Posted May 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Thanks Bob I appreciate you sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemmy Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) I've always found it interesting how much more precise the Japanese are with their hardbaits compare to the US. Anyway, unless someone has a good selection an scale (wouldn't that be nice if Shorty's measured their weights?) you need to look at Japan. Owner Stinger Treble Chart: Edited May 15, 2016 by clemmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemmy Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Gamakatsu Treble Chart: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemmy Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Gentleman nice enough to put in order of weight (Gammy is black, Owner/Cultive in yellow): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemmy Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Another version from same gentleman, but this time Gamakatsu are red: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemmy Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Mostly same info, (Gammy at top), but has some Decoy trebles at the bottom ("Y" prefix): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemmy Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) Another thing to think of, is that manufacturers don't always keep the same proportions in different hook sizes. For example I know some of Gamakatsu's heavy duty hooks not only have stronger wire, but a sharper bend. It's stronger but also negatively effects hook gape. VMC has a chart that doesn't show hook weight, but shows what their pro staff anglers recommend as replacement VMC hooks for various models of Rapala. This just made me wonder why they don't put that hook on there originally?? I'm sure cost and perhaps a more universal action... Hope This a Helps, Craig Edited May 15, 2016 by clemmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted May 16, 2016 Report Share Posted May 16, 2016 Because I do my initial design on computer spread sheets, this is the kind of information that I have to collect for myself. Great posts Clemmy. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rufthumbs Posted May 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Wow this is what I was after...I need to leant how to find more information from Japanese builders...Thanks for sharing clammy! Will be sure to hold on to these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Young Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) This is from stripers online VMC 9626PS#4 - .66" from point to point -- .88" tall -- about 1gm#2 - .75" from point to point -- 1.01" tall -- 1.4gm#1 - .80" from point to point -- 1.09" tall -- 1.8gm1/0 - .92" from point to point -- 1.15" tall -- 2.2gm2/0 - .99" from point to point --1.23" tall -- 2.9gm3/0 - 1.10" from point to point -- 1.38" tall -- 3.3gm4/0 - 1.19" from point to point -- 1.55" tall -- 4.7gm5/0 - 1.39" from point to point -- 1.88" tall -- 6.3gm I really like VMC trebles! Edited May 17, 2016 by Chuck Young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
