ravenlures Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 I like this for my small bass lures but I can't seem to get rid of the little bubbles, I serched but can't find anything about the bubbles other than its a problem. I was going to try hitting the lure with a airbrush after dipping to get rid of the bubbles. They seem to come up over night. If anyone has done this before, otherwise I will try it later today. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodieb8 Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 whats the lure made of ,wood,plastic,foams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 If the bubbles come up after initial application, I suspect the KBS is either reacting with one of your other finish coatings or, in the case of a wood lure, that air is migrating through your underlying finish into the clearcoat because the lure is heating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barr5150 Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 I found you can't mix this product before dipping. Open the can or the jar you have it in and start using it. If you think it needs to be mixed or you just added a little xylene to cut it you'll need to let it sit to give the air bubbles time to dissipate before dipping. Also, you can't let the plugs drip back into the can. Every drip causes bubbles in the mix that the next lure will grab. If the container you have it in is wide enough you can dip the plug on one side and let it drip off on the other. The bubbles will stay in an isolated area for awhile. For me it's easier to just dip and hang. I don't bother letting the product drip back in the can. I tried letting the plugs drip over another container so I could save the product but it really isn't worth it, your hardly left with enough to save. If you sure your mix is clean and not "aerated" make sure the sealer your using is doing it's job. If a wood plug isn't sealed correctly it will bubble like crazy when it's dipped in this stuff. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenlures Posted August 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 These are plastic lures and finished with createx paint, I do rotate them but will let them hang. I do like KBS because of how the lips come out. I'll try hanging, or holding the lure in a different way hanging. Thanks Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barr5150 Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 For plastic lures the problem has to be in the mix then. Watch introducing bubbles into it and you should be fine. Also, no need to rotate this stuff. Hang and drip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 How long does it take to dry, and to cure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barr5150 Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 The thinner the mix the quicker it dries. If it's not extremely humid and you have a fairly thin mix you can handle the plugs in a few hours. I've fished plugs that had their final coat just 24hrs earlier. For customer lures I try to let them sit for a good few days before tuning/shipping. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 Are there bad fumes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barr5150 Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 Ya, smells like an automotive clear to me. Your not gonna get away with dipping this stuff in the house. KBS is allot like dick nites but it just doesn't "go off" so quick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21xdc Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 Trust me... Thin with 10-20% Xylol/Xylene and the foaming will not happen.... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenlures Posted September 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 How many coats do you put on, one seems good to me or will it soften the undercoating. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barr5150 Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 I do 2. One after paint and another after the lip is installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted September 2, 2016 Report Share Posted September 2, 2016 Has anyone contacted the company in regards to curing conditions? Specifically wonder if any ideal humidity for optimal product performance. Sounds like as close to zero percent would be best for application then transfer to or increase humidity to a given level for curing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 I haven't tried KBS but have used several other MCU's. In my experience two things can cause bubbles in the finish to form after application. First is bubbles driven out of a wood bait by heating it during the cure process, The second is the MCU sitting in liquid form too long on a bait. That gives the active solvents in the MCU enough time to begin reacting with the paint to form bubbles and begin lifting paint off the bait. To eliminate this, baits can be hung up to dry and off-gas the solvent to allow excess MCU to drip off the tail of the bait. If you put the bait on a lure turner, you're asking for trouble since the rotation can prevent the excess MCU from dripping off the bait. Instead it can collect under the drying skin of the MCU in liquid form and cause bubbling. So simply hanging a bait up to dry is the way to go. Jmho 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin_D Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 Had the same issue at first. I would get really fine bubbles around the eyes. Thinning with xylene resolved this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 Wayne, as to how many coats - I use one coat of MCU and think that's fine for bass baits, especially plastic ones. After a few days of curing, MCU gets very tough and very slick. I think it's the equal of just about any factory coating I've seen on plastic baits. I know some TU'ers use multiple coats, so it's really player's choice. Like a lot of solvent based finishes, you need to recoat within a specified period or wait at least 24 hrs lest you get wrinkling and bubbling. Maybe barr5150 can give you tips on how he times recoating. I haven't had wear problems with single coat MCU on lures used for casting for bass. However, the MCU wore through faster from hook rash than a single coat of Devcon Two Ton epoxy on lures I use for trolling. Not that the epoxy is tougher than MCU, it's just much thicker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenlures Posted September 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 Thanks Bob P. And everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I've found I can re-dip in a hour with no problems.Two dips is about 1 coat of Devcon..Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msmoot04 Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I been using KBS for a little over a year and really like it. I brush mine on and it works fine, but I do get some little bubbles around the eyes sometimes. Question for you guys that are dipping your baits, do you just open the can and dip our do you put it in something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 I put mine in a canning jar for dipping..Besure you clean the lip off really well when your done and before you put the lid on...If you leave it in the can for dipping you WILL glue the lid on..don't ask me how I know..Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barr5150 Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 I use mason jars as well. And yes, Nathan is right. Clean the lip of the jar or you'll never get it back off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msmoot04 Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 Have you had any problems with it curing up in the jar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 This stuff does not go off in the jar like the others..It just gradually gets a little thicker.When it does I add a little xylene to thin it back out..Nathan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Nathan, can you dip a lure in it, and let it drip back into the dipping jar without ruining the rest of the jar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
