hoffbossn Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Hey guys I am an Oregon bass fisherman and me and my buddy realize we need to throw the big baits to get the big bass. we are sick of losing $1000 dollars of lures though. I am fortunate to have a shop of tools (dad) bandsaw sanders drill press i just have NO knowledge on it. I wanna make lures like the roman made and all sorts of LARGE swimbaits for bass. I need some pushes in the right direction guys! I am... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Get to know the search feature here located at the top of the page.It will supply you with months of reading on the subject of building Swimbaits.When you have a specific question..just ask...Nathan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoffbossn Posted November 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 ok i guess more specifially can people post vids of their favorite swimbait being made?? or the most informational video they can provide?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW Lures Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Try YouTube for videos. Nathan is right about the search and how to threads. I've been here over a year and wish I knew how to find post like I do now. Great amount of knowledge. I make original designs mainly. Don't get to wound up thinking you can do what some of these people do right from the get go. Be stubborn and you'll get there. TU has a gallery and at the top of the page there is a cookbook on painting. Good luck, Dale 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer&Bass Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Being stubborn seems to be the key,accept when it comes to using the information provided by the TU community, lol. You can be told how to swim, but until you jump in the water and learn the necessary movements to tread water you will sink. It's not necessarily difficult just a time consuming learning curve, but that first bass to take your bait will instantly reaffirm time spent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW Lures Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Well, I jumped from just painting right into the middle of the lake and I found I could dog paddle then I learn to swim normal, now I'm starting to race. The point is jump, read and find what works for you. You can look at all the video's you want, but when it comes to doing what we would tell you will work...it's a new world. Your learning curve is just that. Start doing the designing and then you can ask a more detail question. When I started I had an idea. I started working on my idea. Then I would ask a question (detailed), then I did what I thought was best. These people will answer a detail question, trust me on that one. They can't tell you everything from there 1-50+ years of baits and fishing knowledge all at once. It doesn't come that easy, nothing for that matter. Doing + Time + Failures= Experience. By the way that is how I learnt to swim...thrown in. I guess I'm use to it. It works Take care, Dale 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Welcome to TU! I'd suggest you begin by taking a glide bait that you use and like, and try to duplicate it. That way you'll have an already successful design to imitate and learn from. The cutting and shaping skills are something you can only learn by doing, but it is not rocket science. The painting is also something you can only learn with practice. Fortunately for me, fish aren't as picky as fishermen, because my paint jobs look like I used a roller. If you want to start by building a glide bait, there are a bunch of threads in the Search. There are a lot of threads there about jointed swimbaits, too. Do some reading, begin to cut and shape your first bait, and ask questions here as you get stumped, or can't figure something out. TU is a group of knowledgeable and accomplished people who like to share, and are happy to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoffbossn Posted November 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Ah thanks guys i gues more specifically where is the best place to buy wood blocks? what wood is good to practice on as i dont wanna waste balsa? fav hardware shop? fav spraybrush?? good wood widdling knife?? paint? epoxy?? thanks all in advance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 If you're just starting out, consider using PVC for your building material. For large baits there are no drawbacks, and it gives you the ability to test float you baits without fear of water intrusion, because it's totally waterproof. There's a sticky at the top of this forum titled "Why PVC" that tells you more. I'm a carpenter, and I love working with wood, but PVC has allowed me to make lures much faster and easier. Lure Parts Online has everything you need except the material. You can order the PVC trimboard from Home Depot, or your local lumber yard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ Fisher Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Ah thanks guys i gues more specifically where is the best place to buy wood blocks? what wood is good to practice on as i dont wanna waste balsa? fav hardware shop? fav spraybrush?? good wood widdling knife?? paint? epoxy?? thanks all in advance You said your Dad has wood shop tools, why don't you ask him to teach you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 You said your Dad has wood shop tools, why don't you ask him to teach you. AZ is right. Learning the safe way to use power tools is really important. Your fingers won't grow back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoffbossn Posted November 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Welcome to TU! I'd suggest you begin by taking a glide bait that you use and like, and try to duplicate it. That way you'll have an already successful design to imitate and learn from. The cutting and shaping skills are something you can only learn by doing, but it is not rocket science. The painting is also something you can only learn with practice. Fortunately for me, fish aren't as picky as fishermen, because my paint jobs look like I used a roller. If you want to start by building a glide bait, there are a bunch of threads in the Search. There are a lot of threads there about jointed swimbaits, too. Do some reading, begin to cut and shape your first bait, and ask questions here as you get stumped, or can't figure something out. TU is a group of knowledgeable and accomplished people who like to share, and are happy to do it. thanks for the response man. t 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoffbossn Posted November 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Man AZ fisher is on my butt. posted on two of my topics with nothing helpful. Yes my dad is showing me how to use tools. No he knows nothing on making fishing lures as precise as i would like as he is a welder and his wood tools are not hardly used by him, ive already cut a blank out on the bandsaw and i am having trouble sanding an even amount of wood to smooth out both side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Safety advice is always helpful. When you've lived long enough, you've seen some stuff happen that will curl your hair. I had a guy working two feet away from me take his own eye out. I have a wall dropped on me, and the only thing that stopped it was a 16D nail that caught in one of my ribs. I had a friend shatter his foot when a trailer slipped off it's ball hitch. So don't ever be annoyed with advice about safety. It's hard won, and listening to it can save you a lot of grief and pain. Ask your dad if he ever welds without a mask, and why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ Fisher Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Man AZ fisher is on my butt. posted on two of my topics with nothing helpful. Yes my dad is showing me how to use tools. No he knows nothing on making fishing lures as precise as i would like as he is a welder and his wood tools are not hardly used by him, ive already cut a blank out on the bandsaw and i am having trouble sanding an even amount of wood to smooth out both side. On your butt because most of the questions you have asked have been asked before. Can tell by the questions you've asked you haven't done much if any research of your own. Use the SEARCH function. There are lots of threads about different type of woods and their characteristics, different types of hinges and how each work, ballasting your baits, where to put your line tie, what style of tail, what are the best hooks and paints and clear coats. Mark has countless hours on this site sharing his knowledge of PVC bait building as well as many others in their area of expertise and all that info is on this site, in these posts. YOU need to do the research to find it. Don't expect someone to hand it to you. When i decided to make some big slammer style baits, I needed to learn to use a wood lathe. Off to Youtube I went and some 15-20 hours of vids later, I had a good general knowledge of a lathe and how to get what i wanted out of it. Spent a morning working with some 2x2"s from Lowes and I was turning out great bodies before I starting using prime wood.. I also have to say while a lathe is not rocket science, I was very successful right away because of the work I had already put in. If you were to state, like in your last post, "Hey I'm having trouble getting my baits symmetrical when sanding, what should I try", you showed that your making an effort and myself and others here and on SU will be more likely help you and get you the info you desire .Most of the posts above politely told you to do your own research and try things for yourself. When your debut post on Swimbait Underground is "Who is the most knowledgeable swimbait builder", and want them to just tell you how to do all the things it's taken them decades to learn(I am not one of them), that offends me and many others on both sites. Do your own research. I have spent hundreds(no joke) of hours on this site searching the forums for info, I suggest you start doing the same. That is why I've been on your butt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoffbossn Posted November 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Safety advice is always helpful. When you've lived long enough, you've seen some stuff happen that will curl your hair. I had a guy working two feet away from me take his own eye out. I have a wall dropped on me, and the only thing that stopped it was a 16D nail that caught in one of my ribs. I had a friend shatter his foot when a trailer slipped off it's ball hitch. So don't ever be annoyed with advice about safety. It's hard won, and listening to it can save you a lot of grief and pain. Ask your dad if he ever welds without a mask, and why. you and my dad sir would get along! i use to work in the tree industry so i can understand the stress of safety. but being 23 sometimes the youth mentality comes out. A habit i am fixing to break and never ever seen him weld without a mask. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoffbossn Posted November 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 On your butt because most of the questions you have asked have been asked before. Can tell by the questions you've asked you haven't done much if any research of your own. Use the SEARCH function. There are lots of threads about different type of woods and their characteristics, different types of hinges and how each work, ballasting your baits, where to put your line tie, what style of tail, what are the best hooks and paints and clear coats. Mark has countless hours on this site sharing his knowledge of PVC bait building as well as many others in their area of expertise and all that info is on this site, in these posts. YOU need to do the research to find it. Don't expect someone to hand it to you. When i decided to make some big slammer style baits, I needed to learn to use a wood lathe. Off to Youtube I went and some 15-20 hours of vids later, I had a good general knowledge of a lathe and how to get what i wanted out of it. Spent a morning working with some 2x2"s from Lowes and I was turning out great bodies before I starting using prime wood.. I also have to say while a lathe is not rocket science, I was very successful right away because of the work I had already put in. If you were to state, like in your last post, "Hey I'm having trouble getting my baits symmetrical when sanding, what should I try", you showed that your making an effort and myself and others here and on SU will be more likely help you and get you the info you desire .Most of the posts above politely told you to do your own research and try things for yourself. When your debut post on Swimbait Underground is "Who is the most knowledgeable swimbait builder", and want them to just tell you how to do all the things it's taken them decades to learn(I am not one of them), that offends me and many others on both sites. Do your own research. I have spent hundreds(no joke) of hours on this site searching the forums for info, I suggest you start doing the same. That is why I've been on your butt Well AZ man when you say it makes me feel alot better, i understand your side but i have been looking at what feels like EVERY hardware online retailer and cant find one that really sells it all. And i cant even get a lure in the water without hardware... i am not here to waste time but to simply learn and then eventually contribute. thanks for the brutal honesty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ Fisher Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Search this forum for "Lure part suppliers" and in the first post there is a link to the most complete list of suppliers for any and everything you'll need. I found it in less than a minute of searching. Just like they told you on SU, Lure Parts Online, Barlows. Jannscraft are great places to start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoffbossn Posted November 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Search this forum for "Lure part suppliers" and in the first post there is a link to the most complete list of suppliers for any and everything you'll need. I found it in less than a minute of searching. Just like they told you on SU, Lure Parts Online, Barlows. Jannscraft are great places to start. got it. whats ur personal favorite website to use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ Fisher Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 LPO, Barlows won't BO or tell you until you get the order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedyarb Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Use pvc to start....that way you can check the action of your design immediatly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoffbossn Posted November 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Use pvc to start....that way you can check the action of your design immediatly pvc? like the pipe? hows that work? idk if you are reading but sorry about the posts AZ man and thanks for hleping. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 http://www.tackleunderground.com/community/topic/29482-why-pvc/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW Lures Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) Wow...a lot has happen since this morning. One of the questions you ask was type of wood to use. Others has said PVC, ok I'll agree with that because you do not have to learn how to seal it which helps with water intrusion. Just for chuckles, a good cheap wood but easily obtained in the US is poplar. Easy to work with other then balsa, basswood etc. Make sure you watch the grains and drying quality in any of the woods. Whether is the heart of the tree or sap wood is important. A small book can be wrote about the woods that we use. SAETY, let somebody show you how to use them. Mark is absolutely right! I've seen mistakes that made tough people throw up from seeing what happen. I'm blunt and straight forward about this. Dale Edited November 22, 2016 by DaleSW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfk9 Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) Holy Moley everyone needs a big shot of CHILL....i can understand & empathizes with both sides...it's frustrating when one gets first bitten by the bug to build (be it hard body, soft body plastic or whatever) hoffbossn it takes time & patience (i'm certian my wife is rolling her eyes cuz i'm seriously lacking both) ...then your into a serious addiction....i'm no master builder by any means (been addicted for about 10 years...still consider myself a newbie although iv'e got a couple 100 baits built).. i still aspire to be any where near the first rung of the ladder that leads to builders such as Snax, JR Hopkins, Jarrel,diemai ,cougarftd, solarfall, mark poulson an the list goes on endlessly....i built my baits first with a scroll saw a one inch belt sander & palm sander with pine or redwood scraps i could acquire....trying to figure it out...wow i just kept going thru the posts not using search cuz i was a computer clueless...10 years down the road i understand AZ Fisher point of view...sometimes in attempt to learn newbies tend to "flood" the pages with redundant questions...(at least it seems...but they're not really ...that would be the question unasked)....but step back an take it all in...i began with pine & redwood moved onto bass wood and poplar...then made the jump about a year an half ago to PVC....Having read mark's posts & watched JR's video more times than i can remember...there is no downside except i do miss the "aroma" of cutting sanding wood...PVC seriously lacks on that one...one can build with an entire array of tools or with just the basics...depends who your building for...me I build for myself...to catch "the big one"...my PB on my own lures is just shy of double digit on a"punker" style... if you desire to build for others for profit that's a story for a different time...not to sound petty or borrow from"Big Names"...JUST DO IT!!! and enjoy its a crazy love....addicting as hell...JMHO Michel aka "surfk9" Edited November 23, 2016 by surfk9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
