jonister Posted December 8, 2016 Report Share Posted December 8, 2016 Has anyone figured out a seal coat or undercoat that will save Copic from running? I just tried my regular paint sealer and it just ran off like water. It had been curing for a day at least. I always do undercoat of floor finish to protect the paint from my KBS and Art Resin and even the floor finish makes it run. I am very unsure what to use now. Everything makes it run. If anyone else has tried it and figured it out, anything would help! thanks guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 Likely going to have to use a water based product as Copic are alcohol based. Most other sealers are going to have other solvents that will solubilize the marker readily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 Have you tried a polyacrilic?..Minwax makes one and they are water based..Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonister Posted December 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 Ah both you guys are right. I looked at the can and it doesn't say anything but the website says it is acrylic. I guess I will go digging for something water-based. thanks guys! I'll report back how it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grisley Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 I have been recently using the Copic Airbrush system to paint my lures and I absolutely love it. I have a few copic brand markers, but I found a cheap set of 80 alcohol markers on amazon for like $40. They fit inside of the Cooic airbrush attachment almost perfectly, so I have been using those more lately. Anyway, I usually start with a coat of krylon cover max flat white spray paint. Next I spray my alcohol markers on and dry for a few seconds with a heat gun. Then I hit it with a very light coat of krylon cover max flat clear. I allow that to dry for 15-20 minutes. Then I add the eyes and follow with a more generous coating of the krylon clear. I allow that to dry and gas out over night and then finish with a coat of Devon 2 Ton epoxy. I've used this technique with both the Copics and the cheaper markers and I have never had a problem with the markers running doing it this way. I hope this helps. BTW Here is a link to the cheaper markers I use, in case you are interested. Like I said they fit the copic attachment pretty well. I did discover that they work much better if you pull the nib of the marker out about 1/8-1/4" though. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01LWSUXU7/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthworm77 Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 I also have the 80ct set from China. It is brand Touch Five. They are ok but nowhere near as good as "Copic" brand, that don't usually need any adjustment to the nib to spray correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonister Posted January 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 Thanks for the help! i will have to give the krylon a try. I find that with the copics i only need a few colors to do what i need, because i also have an airbrush. The copics are also great for touching up flies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW Lures Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 @Jonister I was told about the Copic System and have been reading the thread. With you using a airbrush, what have you found to be the best task to use these for? I would assume detail, but wanted to get your thoughts. Thanks, Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthworm77 Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) On 12/8/2016 at 6:06 PM, jonister said: Has anyone figured out a seal coat or undercoat that will save Copic from running? I just tried my regular paint sealer and it just ran off like water. It had been curing for a day at least. I always do undercoat of floor finish to protect the paint from my KBS and Art Resin and even the floor finish makes it run. I am very unsure what to use now. Everything makes it run. If anyone else has tried it and figured it out, anything would help! thanks guys! I just devcon the swim baits I am painting, they are coming out great and the paint does not run at all. The epoxy makes the colors pop as well. I'd put some photos up to show you but I don't want to get in trouble. Edited January 20, 2017 by earthworm77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthworm77 Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 On 1/8/2017 at 2:55 PM, DaleSW said: @Jonister I was told about the Copic System and have been reading the thread. With you using a airbrush, what have you found to be the best task to use these for? I would assume detail, but wanted to get your thoughts. Thanks, Dale The best thing is that it is no longer necessary to clean up after each color. The copic system does not really allow for any adjustment in the paint stream but it is pretty good if you realize the systems limitations. I'm painting swimbaits and I've done some bluegills that are out of this world. I really have no artistic talent but this system has me producing some really nice paint jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW Lures Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 One other question. How long does a perticular pin last compared to a 2oz bottle of paint? If you can compare the two. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonister Posted January 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Dale I'd guess maybe about the same. If you paint as little as me, or aren't producing too many baits for other guys you should be fine. They also have the refills and those last a while. Just make sure you put the caps back on tight! I've only ran out if blue, and my green is getting low. I've been using then for some time now. Also, I use the comic on flies and streamers simply because there is no clean up and it lasts on the fly. On lures I'm still getting around the whole paint coming off part but that's just a kink in my epoxy I use. Once I find a good one I'm sure it will work just fine. I feel it has just about the same limitations of an airbrush, but you can not mix colors unless you spray on. It's a pretty cool system though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 What is the solvent for the copic ink? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonister Posted January 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 i believe it is alcohol based Mark. I feel that is what makes it bleed so bad with some clear coat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthworm77 Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) I've painted close to 30 large swim baits, I have not run out of pen but they do make refills that refill the markers 4 or 5X that cost about 6.00. They are alcohol based......just use devcon 2, they won't run. I have zero artistic talent, with these markers, a few people might think I at least slightly know what I am doing. Edited January 21, 2017 by earthworm77 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Those are some good lucking baits! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthworm77 Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Thanks Mark, again, I think I have very little artistic talent compared to many of you guys. the pictures aren't even a true representation of how well the Copics work for me. They look incredible holding one in your hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ute Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Has anyone used CSI Seal Coat for a clear coat? I am curious because I use it on jig heads and I would like to try the Copic system if I can stay with this sealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
