Popular Post SW Lures Posted December 11, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 (edited) First off I’m not no expert on posting media and new to Photo Bucket. Bare with me here. Ihttp:// This the side view of the duplicator. http:// Another side view http:// This my bait tree, prior to painting or after. http:// This is a look at a master and where a copy will be done. http:// This a view of the rail system. http:// This is a front view of the duplicator. http:// I wanted to show my turner. Heated, sealed and filtered. http:// The inside of it. http:// My band saw. http:// My project at the moment...a mess!! While I’m at it, here is what I told y’all about patterns to cut out. This has a thru wire in it. I do it differently now. http:// I also talked about changes and color and splattering effect here’s what I have taught my Grand. This is her painting, not mine. She’s BETTER! LOL http:// And another, http:// Ok thats my story and Im sticking to it!! Edited December 11, 2016 by DaleSW Learning how to post pic’s 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azsouth Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Wow and I thought I had issues with fishing tackle, very nice set up. I wish it was mine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW Lures Posted December 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Thank you Azsouth. I have very little time to enjoy working in it now a days. When I do I make it worth it. Someday I may have more time? Thanks again, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Like it Mcgyv...sorry, dale, so does the duplicator do one side then you turn blank for the other ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW Lures Posted December 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Yes Glider, it is very important that the holding board does not move and everything is square. I did turn the end around once. You just see the original rectangle shape. Didn't do it again. You can do one side in a minute or two, flip it over and your finish. Lay it to the side, after you get through cutting/shaping the baits out you just trim off the ends and clean them up. If I go back to using it for baits again I'll put spacers in there to shorten up the wood. Also I may tack glue sand paper to hold a little bit better. I haven't had trouble with movement, just to make sure. That master was the first bait I made. Once I got the bib/lip and balance right it turned out to be a great lure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azsouth Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 4 hours ago, DaleSW said: Thank you Azsouth. I have very little time to enjoy working in it now a days. When I do I make it worth it. Someday I may have more time? Thanks again, Dale, sorry you don't have the time, but you have to get your priorities straight......fishing and equipment first....second who cares 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azsouth Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Its AMAZING some of the thought and time that you put into your project Dale!! keep it up, you are truly and inspiration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigginpig Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Crazy! Right on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 Bob LaLonde made this: http://yumabassman.com/forums-new/index.php?topic=5709.0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 11, 2016 Report Share Posted December 11, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, mark poulson said: Bob LaLonde made this: http://yumabassman.com/forums-new/index.php?topic=5709.0 Isn't that Redgator's duplicator from a very very long time ago. Edited December 11, 2016 by Travis 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW Lures Posted December 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Yep I saw that one Mark actually a different but similar when I started making mine. The one I made is very similar to another one. This one can do detail and semi flat profiles plus baits. If I remove the clamping system for baits, I can set up for other work with different (monted) type of clamps. It's not limited other then size. I can reproduce unique round or oval picture frames for example, in one piece. I have another tool plate that I can put in a high speed router. Dale 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwfflipper Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Nicely done!! Looks amazing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 I was confused when you claimed detail ability, now I understand. Your m/c is a different kind of dup m/c. Mine is like registr8r's type of m/c. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigginpig Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 I'd say about 80% of the time I have no good Goddamned idea what Vodkaman is talking about. I like him anyway, and I am glad he is here. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Jigginpig – you made me laugh. My explaining skills are not good, I know that as well as everyone else does. Stylus or follower – just like the needle on a vinyl record, the stylus follows the contour of the master shape to be copied. The stylus is connected to the cutter, so if the stylus lifts then so does the cutter. This applies to both types of copy machine. Type 1, copy carver - The master shape and the wood blank are fixed. The stylus is dragged across the master shape manually, just like colouring in with a 3D pen. As the stylus moves over the master shape, the cutter makes the same moves over the wood blank and cuts an exact copy. Type 2, duplicator - The master shape and the wood blank rotate at the same speed. The stylus rests on the master shape. As the master shape rotates, the stylus is lifted and lowered by the uneven shape. This in turn lifts and lowers the cutter, which cuts into the rotating wood blank making the same shape. The stylus and cutter are mounted on a threaded rod. The thread slowly drives the stylus along the length of the master and the cutter follows the stylus. That is the best I can do to describe the two copy methods. If anyone would like to step in and simplify my descriptions, please do, I have absolutely no objections. Dave 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW Lures Posted December 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 For the life of me I couldn't remember stylus!! As much as I have said it in the past. I have different shapes that matches the different bits/cutters I have. Some I made, some a friend did in his machine shop. What you can do is get the general shape then switch bits and stylus to a more detail cut inside the work piece or around the piece. This includes baits. You must get more light handed and slow down while doing this. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW Lures Posted December 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Oh yeah, don't watch the cutter! Lol Watch the stylus mostly. Also I'm going to put a guard around the cutter. I grip it away from the working end and never adjust during the cutting/shaping unless cutting it off....but you know how that is. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) Dale - I have designed a copy carver (your style of machine) but I I had to give up my house just as I was about to build it. The idea was to rough out the blanks on my duplicator and then cut the detail on the copy carver. I also have another m/c design for cutting lips using the copy carver method. I like your thinking. It is similar to mine and a few others on this site, Hazmail springs to mind, but there are others. There is much satisfaction when a m/c idea comes to life, even better than catching your first fish on a home-made. Dave Edited December 12, 2016 by Vodkaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Dale - I think there is a possible hybrid design possibility between the two copy machines; if the master and the blank block are connected and can be rotated, then your copy carver method can be used without having to cook one side and then turn over. This might be the way that I go with the new design - see, you inspired me Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Vodkaman said: Dale - I think there is a possible hybrid design possibility between the two copy machines; if the master and the blank block are connected and can be rotated, then your copy carver method can be used without having to cook one side and then turn over. This might be the way that I go with the new design - see, you inspired me Dave Dave, The beauty of your idea of using both is that the saw removes a lot of material quickly and roughly, but doesn't dull quickly. The router is slower and smoother, but the bits dull more quickly. Theoretically, because the router is removing far less material, it should stay sharp longer. Having to change between two machines might increase build time, but the more finished results that require less sanding might make up for it. The video of the original lure duplicator from years ago, where the stock is fed into one end as a long piece, and router-smooth blanks come out of the other on a continuous basis, is the holy grail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazmail Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Vodkaman said: Dale - I have designed a copy carver (your style of machine) but I I had to give up my house just as I was about to build it. The idea was to rough out the blanks on my duplicator and then cut the detail on the copy carver. I also have another m/c design for cutting lips using the copy carver method. I like your thinking. It is similar to mine and a few others on this site, Hazmail springs to mind, but there are others. There is much satisfaction when a m/c idea comes to life, even better than catching your first fish on a home-made. Dave From my perspective I really DO appreciate your efforts Dale, been there and done that. After 2 years, what I thought Was good is crap, I am up to about Mk 4 version and now getting acceptable blanks, BUT still ''tweaking' this thing . I'm now trying to make the wiring look a bit more organized as only I can follow it . If you are thinking of getting into this, go for all 12 or 18 Volt, which makes it safe and very easy to procure powerful / reversible motors etc - steer clear of 100v (or 240V ) ---------to get the power and versatility with 100V (or 240V) will cost you a fortune-----------AND 12-18V is a lot quieter. Finally I can slide a 6' OR 8' stick of wood in and stand back and wait for 10 or 15 blanks @ 120 mm, 80mm or 60mm OR any size in between, blanks to pop out---I've now got it down to about 3 to 3.5 mins to get a good blank. It's taken over my life, BUT gee it's been a learning curve. Pete Edited December 12, 2016 by hazmail Miss spelling 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Pete - good job on solving the feed, I haven't even looked at that yet. Good advice on the power issue, I second that; cheap, simple and safe. Mark - exactly right regarding the cutters. Shifting a lot of material with the router, you soon lose the edge, and the bits are very expensive. With a saw, you can get at least 100 blanks cut, and buy the disks in five packs and very cheap. I bet it is even possible to hone up the cutter teeth, but it is just not worth the effort. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Nice space Dale!... And top notch work on the tools! Only one thing missing... The bait tree needs some lights around it and a star on top 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted December 12, 2016 Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Dale - I like your rail system and the black gas pipe. Only yesterday I saw a video with a similar set-up only he didn't use the bearings as wheels. I would be going for bearings too. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW Lures Posted December 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2016 Thanks all, Dave it was fun to make it...but brother when it came to catching the first really good size fish last year from a bait that I designed, shaped, got the depth I wanted. WOW, there wasn't to many times I got that wound up. There has been times that I was worst tho..... Pete, the tweaking the design got me interested. This has the original bit in it that I started with. It is still ok after about 20 baits. I have a cone shape that seems to be better then this one. Interesting to make something better. Y'all are right about the blades compared to the bits in cost. LOL JR, I was thinking about doing the lights. But I was getting at it with those jigs and never got around to it. Needed have all of them painted. Hmmm, think I'll do that next year. With other baits around it. It would make a interesting Christmas Card. American tradition, don't know if other areas of the world do this. Dave, them bearing came from the skate board. Some of those boards have some quality bearings. It just to bad some of us that like things like this couldn't set around together and put our ideas together. It's fun to do, for sure! Thanks again, Dale 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
