papageorgio Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 Happy new year all! I'm working on some ultralight crankbaits to throw at trout. Having a hard time finding a material thats sturdy enough and light enough for lip material. Tried cd jewel case covers and they snap to easily also tried hard clear plastic cover rapala lure boxes use for lids and that breaks to easily as well. Any other ideas? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ Fisher Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 Don't know how small you're talking about. LPO (Lure parts online) has a variety of precut lips as well as some circuit board materials used for lure lips. Hope this helps, Welcome to the Underground! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorgio Posted January 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 The baits are around 2" shown here with cd case lip, worried the circuit board or premade lips will be to heavy. .Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 I just weighed one of the circuit board lips that I use on small cranks. It seems comparable in size to the lip shown in the photo above. It weighed 0.7 grams. That's not much. The material you choose for a lip has to hold up to a good bit of abuse. The plastic that CD cases are made from is not going to do that as you've already found out. If you look in the gallery at baits built by TU members you will usually find the lips are made from 1 or 3 materials. Lexan, (the brand name for polycarbonate) circuit board or metal. Ben 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigginpig Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 Lexan. Worst comes to worst, you could sand it thinner. I like to chamfer the bills in my baits anyway to enhance the diving ability. You would have to wet sand to get it back to crystal clear after you got it to the right thickness. Obviously not a viable option for any large volume of production, but it would work fine for small batches. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigginpig Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 Nice looking blanks, BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 Lexan or circuit board should be fine. I have used both a lot of time on small cranks similar in size to those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 My choice would be circuit board. It has better rebound when fished through rock cover, which is one of the main reasons it became popular as a lip material. It is stiffer than polycarbonate. I use 1/32" thickness on small bass lures. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigginpig Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 It would work well, but I bet he would not want to use an opaque material on a tiny bait for trout. Just a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW Lures Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 I use cb on 1 1/2". The opaque look....yeah it's not all that appealing in clear water. You could paint the lip a neutral color for water. Isn't cb being sold somewhere in different colors ? I could be wrong. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 I use lexan on similar trout lures, 1-1.5mm.depending size . Pic of few minnows in gallery using 1.5mm. Works well. Like jiginpig I like to chamfer bill, but not worth the hassle on small minnows for me. Unlike bass guy's, I'm not bouncing them off rocks and snags as a method ,so lexan works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Dale, yes CB comes in a pretty wide array of colors. The translucent white is the most popular. As far as observability goes, I've built deep divers with huge bills using CB and as far as I can tell, they catch largemouth smallmouth spotted and striped bass as well as Lexan billed baits of the same design in clear water. Are trout different? Dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW Lures Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Honestly I prefer lexan in rocky waters Gliders. It will take more of a beating then CB. I just have trouble finding the thickness I like locally. Sells out quickly. I chamfer lexan to, Mark turn me on it. Helps in the deep divers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Hey dale, I can get down to 0.75mm if needed, few quid a sheet in u.k. so quite handy. Have a good 2017......glider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW Lures Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 I appreciate that Gliders, I can go on line. I don't know what the people use it for but it will go fast in 1/16". 1/8" I can get whenever I want. Interesting what BobP stated. I know he fishes in similar areas like I do and for the same species also. I troll a lot in the spring on a trip I make each year, he does the same. He stated that he has found CB will hold up as well as lexan in those conditions. I may change what I use. I prefer CB now over lexan and would rather use it. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigginpig Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 (edited) On 1/2/2017 at 5:35 PM, BobP said: Are trout different? Dunno. Yeah! They are five times as stupid as a bass. But fly fishermen like to think they are all born with advanced degrees in physics. Edited January 4, 2017 by jigginpig 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthworm77 Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 I would look into circuit board first, it is generally thinner than lexan. I am getting .083 lexan and .093 lexan in places like home depot or lowes. I don't know if much thinner than that would be strong enough.....or better than CD cases.......circuit board is the way to go here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 I know a guy who cuts up dividers from old Plano trays..... I'm not sure what thickness they are, but they're pretty lite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 4 hours ago, JRammit said: I know a guy who cuts up dividers from old Plano trays..... I'm not sure what thickness they are, but they're pretty lite I've tried that, and I found that the lips are too soft/flexible for crank baits. They are also too thick for small cranks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 1.5mm = 0.059 inch lexan plenty strong for minnows up to 3 inch If you want transparent lip. Also j.pig and bob.p ,trout are more selective and intelligent than bass ,I would imagine........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorgio Posted January 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) Thanks for the help guys. I was familiar with people using lexan and cb material just wasn't sure what thickness would work on smaller baits.I'll look for some .059" Edited January 6, 2017 by papageorgio forgot to mention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonister Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 You can actually clear up the lexan with a lighter. Just don't burn it. Around here guys go crazy over the whole trout/salmon thing. It's just another fish to me. Fun to catch every once in a while but over rated in my opinion. I'm more of a bass fisherman. they get treated like god's and guys think they are superior to everything.. the last steelhead I caught was on a spinner bait fishing for... Bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW Lures Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 3 hours ago, jonister said: You can actually clear up the lexan with a lighter. Just don't burn it. Around here guys go crazy over the whole trout/salmon thing. It's just another fish to me. Fun to catch every once in a while but over rated in my opinion. I'm more of a bass fisherman. they get treated like god's and guys think they are superior to everything.. the last steelhead I caught was on a spinner bait fishing for... Bass. It's what one enjoys and most people just goes with the majority. Me with a ultralight set up I'm excite with a large bull bream, crappie or whatever. A little heavier rod I'm going crazy over smallmouth, walleye, etc. I enjoy catching nice fish that I'm after. Largemouth is fine to but what does it for me is having the lightest set for the biggest fish. I have chance and the fish has a chance. Games on! Dale 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 For minnow under 2 inch with small lip ,I wouldn't hesitate to go to 1mm lexan . P.s only joking about trout being more selective about lures !........ I wouldn't desecrate a trout water with lures........glider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigginpig Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Treble hooks sure do a number on them, no question. I might use cranks with single barbless hooks for them. Honestly though, trout and flies are like ham and grits, they were made for each other. So much more fun to catch a trout on a fly rod, my 2¢... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
