eastman03 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) Just curious, how do you get paint jobs where the paint is completely evenly covered in sparkle/glitter? Is it sprayed on through the airbrush? Or nail polish? Or added to the epoxy finish? i want to replicate this believer given to me by a musky fishing legend!! Also, how do you reprint a different believer? Just sand, prime, paint then epoxy? Edited January 16, 2017 by eastman03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AZ Fisher Posted January 16, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I can't comment on spraying glitter as I haven't done that. Prep the bait, clean , sand and or body filler. What I do to achieve a look like that bait would be to spray a white base coat. Then spray the body color in pearl, your bait looks like pearl gold with some pearl yellow added in. Then I would mix a generous amount of iridescent gold glitter into my clear in the mixing cup, then brush the bait with the first clear coat with the mixed glitter and then hang to dry or preferably move to a turner. If you add a lot of glitter it can cause a sand paper feel after the first clear dries, more clear later with resolve this. I would make a stencil for the black stripes, if your good you could freehand these, I can't. When first coat of clear is cured, spray the black with the stencil, dry the black, add the eye and then a couple more coats of clear to finish it. This is what I would do with the equipment and skills that I posess at the moment. Always learning something new here. I'm sure others will have different processes and will share what they would do. Hope this helps. Tight lines! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigginpig Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I've done it by applying a coat of hide glue and then sprinkling the glitter on. It seems to go on a little thinner that way. You still may have to add a lot of clear coat to get it smooth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishon-son Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 spray tack the bait then roll in the glitter on a paper plate spray clear dry . epoxy.... then put on the wheel you can do 2 or 3 coats of epoxy..paint after 2nd coat of epoxy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Glenn Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 What AZ Fisher said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishon-son Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 i just remembered there is now glitter paint in a rattle can that works great comes in many colors im sure that would be your best bet and easy to do....id still go with epoxy as a finish top coat alot less hook rash.....like you see on your bait.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Ron Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Here are the two staples in for me: If I want the glitter to add color to the bait then I add the glitter to my first clear coat. And for this I strictly use Martha Stewart crafts. If I want the glitter to add a more reflective sheen then I spray with the Daler Rowney artist ink shimmering colors. You have to really thin this because I don't think the shimmering colors (nor any of there colors that appear to have glitter) are meant to spray. But I found that I can put a light misting spray quickly, heat set and then start building up until I get my desired affect. It takes some getting use to but works for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastman03 Posted January 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Appreciate the responses! I think I will attempt to paint the lure in gold/yellow. Then add a bunch of glitter to my first epoxy coat. Being a large musky bait. I usually add a bunch of coats anyway. But I may also try other methods, so many things to try so little time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Hey eastman, if using glitter in epoxy method then best use a lure turner,if just hanging lures then glitter can move about and could end up concentrated at end's, .If you don't have turner then another option is sprinkling onto uncured epoxy while still tacky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 17 hours ago, Super Ron said: Here are the two staples in for me: If I want the glitter to add color to the bait then I add the glitter to my first clear coat. And for this I strictly use Martha Stewart crafts. If I want the glitter to add a more reflective sheen then I spray with the Daler Rowney artist ink shimmering colors. You have to really thin this because I don't think the shimmering colors (nor any of there colors that appear to have glitter) are meant to spray. But I found that I can put a light misting spray quickly, heat set and then start building up until I get my desired affect. It takes some getting use to but works for me. What do you use to thin the ink? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 That lure is all glitter, so I'd go to the craft store and buy some cheap acrylic glitter paint, paint it on with a brush, and then topcoat it with epoxy. Simple is better IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastman03 Posted January 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Awesome bob. May try that method with the cheap glitter paint. That would be easy. Then airbrush some black tiger stripes on it. With a coat or two of envirotex. Gliders - I built a lure turner last year for envirotex application. Works good. I still just had some fish eyes but I think I put it on way to thick. Still perfecting that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishon-son Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 ink is like water ..im not thinking you need to thin it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishon-son Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 i did see yellow rattle can glittler paint... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 Back when I first started making baits, I used the rattle can glitter spray. Back then, it would yellow after a bit. I'm not sure it's still that way. Maybe today's stuff has UV protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) Hey eastman, if you got turner personaly I would mix glitter in 1st coat e-tex. Over base colour, then candy transparent colur over epoxy. Definitely better with light coats e-tex in my experience, however thick coats unlikely to be cause of fish eye's, cheers......glider Edited January 18, 2017 by gliders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastman03 Posted January 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 Gliders - what do you think caused my fish eye? Happened on both the baits I was turning. Large crankbaits. Shop was cooler. They were on a turner. Could it have been the spot when the shaft of my turner ( a BBQ roterserie) kinda falls over? Or just not a clean bait beforehand? Envirotex has an unreal finish but sure is frustrating. I'm moving that process into a basement room to control dust and temp from now on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 Epoxy tends to contract a little as it cures. It may pull away from a spot on the lure that has oil from your fingers, or any other oil, causing a fish eye or a dimple. That's because the oil prevents the epoxy from grabbing the surface of the bait at that point. The same contraction also causes the epoxy to draw away from any sharp edge on a bait as it cures, leaving a coating that appears normal but will quickly wear away under use. ETEX contains solvent to thin the epoxy to improve flow when poured onto a surface like a bar top and to help expel any bubbles. For some reason, it is a little more prone to fish eyes than glue type epoxies like Devcon, which don't contain solvent (unless you add it yourself, which many of us do). A light wipe down of the paint with denatured alcohol before applying the epoxy may help to avoid the problem, as will wearing plastic gloves while handling the lure before topcoating. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastman03 Posted January 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 Got it, thanks BobP. I know so much has been written about the subject (and I'm way off topic of sparkle paint already), but when you start mixing it, everything I remember reading goes out the window, like I start to panic with the ticking clock haha. Overall they are turning out good. I will get some denatured alcohol and apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Ron Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 Mark. If you strictly use the ink from Daler Rowney, you don't need to thin it as all. Shake the crap out the bottle but no thinning. If you use any of the colors that have flake to them whether their shimmering line or and other color like the volcano red for instance, then I thin with LIquitex Airbrush medium. To thin, and have it spray out of my brush (eclipse) it has to come out like water or it will clog. Which means some days I have to spray around 5 psi and give uber light mistings from a distance. And when I do, it's one of those initial coats that you can see and hear the brush spraying but there doesn't seem to be a buildup on the lure. If that makes sense. Then from the initial coat it's just super light mistings that I heat set in between. Maybe not the best technique but this one works for me This has a the Daler Rowney shimmering blue as an example. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigginpig Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 4 hours ago, BobP said: Epoxy tends to contract a little as it cures. It may pull away from a spot on the lure that has oil from your fingers, or any other oil, causing a fish eye or a dimple. That's because the oil prevents the epoxy from grabbing the surface of the bait at that point. The same contraction also causes the epoxy to draw away from any sharp edge on a bait as it cures, leaving a coating that appears normal but will quickly wear away under use. ETEX contains solvent to thin the epoxy to improve flow when poured onto a surface like a bar top and to help expel any bubbles. For some reason, it is a little more prone to fish eyes than glue type epoxies like Devcon, which don't contain solvent (unless you add it yourself, which many of us do). A light wipe down of the paint with denatured alcohol before applying the epoxy may help to avoid the problem, as will wearing plastic gloves while handling the lure before topcoating. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Perfectly clean baits, no fisheyes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 Hey eastman ,the fish eye is as bobp and jp say ,its caused by contamination , usually from touching with bare hands but can happen if paint or whatever underneath is not completely cured and dry.Dont touch sealed or painted blank with bare hands,use disposable gloves if you have to touch for any reason. Do not go near paint job with de-natured alcohol or you will ruin paint, alcohol great for wiping blank and epoxy between coats but not for wiping paint job. The lure turner flopping over issue is not the problem but is a pain , to minimise or stop that problem, counter balance with a similar weight lure or blank on opposite side of turner ,hope helps......glider 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 8 hours ago, Super Ron said: Mark. If you strictly use the ink from Daler Rowney, you don't need to thin it as all. Shake the crap out the bottle but no thinning. If you use any of the colors that have flake to them whether their shimmering line or and other color like the volcano red for instance, then I thin with LIquitex Airbrush medium. To thin, and have it spray out of my brush (eclipse) it has to come out like water or it will clog. Which means some days I have to spray around 5 psi and give uber light mistings from a distance. And when I do, it's one of those initial coats that you can see and hear the brush spraying but there doesn't seem to be a buildup on the lure. If that makes sense. Then from the initial coat it's just super light mistings that I heat set in between. Maybe not the best technique but this one works for me This has a the Daler Rowney shimmering blue as an example. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) There are little quirks and tip to using ETEX epoxy that musky bait builder Fatfingers explained in a user submitted tutorial several years ago. Worth a look. can't find the tutorial! It was titled "achieving a perfect finish" with ETEX or something like that. Anyway, the big tip in the tutorial was to mix the epoxy and then let it sit for 10-15 minutes before applying it so it will expel bubbles and thicken a little to get a better coating. Edited January 18, 2017 by BobP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigginpig Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 I must have read that because that is what I do. I also give Etex resin and hardener a warm bath prior to measuring and mixing. Also the flame/heatgun/straw trick, however you want to do it. I am of the opinion that it is not a bad thing for people to ask the same questions. It brings in new people, you may get new answers that nobody has given before. If it becomes a case of "USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION, DAMN YOU!" then traffic drops off after all the normal questions get asked, and it does not seem very friendly to noobs. I still use it, or at least I did before the reformat... Nobody is holding us hostage and forcing us to read the ten-thousandth post about plaster of paris or whatever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
