gliders Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Hey guy's, I often use one of the solvent based hardeners to seal lures for ballasting ,then seal with epoxy. It seems to me they are all pretty much the same thing , i.e plastic dissolved in acetone. Lots of folk use propionate pellets disolved in same, I also know that some other crafts use plexiglass also dissolved in acetone. Do any of you guy's know if these are basically the same thing ? Is there going to be any major differences regarding the type of solids used when applied to wood fishing lures ? I'm wondering if there's any plastic that would be noticeably better than another, I kinda suspect it might be much of a muchness. Any chemists out there ?.......glider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted May 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Anyone tried lexan dissolved in acetone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 I think you'll find that some plastics will not dissolve in acetone and some dissolve so slowly that it is impractical to use them. This was a TU topic several years ago, mostly about using various plastic cups. Some tried it and found the coating would crack after drying. So the subject pettered out pretty quickly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted May 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Thanks bobp,that's 1 thing I was kinda thinking might happen, I remember lots of folk trying the plastic cups etc. What about acetone based wood hardeners bob,are these basically similar? I.e plaastic dissolved in solvent ?...........glider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 I don't know. You might be able to find out by checking the MSDS sheet on the manufacturer's website to see if the product contains the plastic and solvent you want to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted May 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Thanks bob, from what I can see l suspect they might all be similar products ,i..e some sort of plastic resin dissolved in solvent. Wondering if it's worth the hassle of making something, if at best it's the same as stuff I can buy which does the job. Are propionate pellets/plastic cups/plexiglass etc. Likely to be better ?........glider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayhem1202 Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 I tried CD jewel cases, which I'd read that people had used successfully, but they just went into a snotty lump suspended in acetone and never fully dissolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted May 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Yip ,I've heard of a variety of plastics used, some of the hardeners are moisture cure but I'm wondering if the end result is similar, i.e a thin coat of resin after evaporation. Thinking about it though , you would imagine hardener type products are more likely to be using a cellulose resin. Cheers........glider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted May 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Out of interest I've got a few concoctions brewing up, if you hear a big bang and the sky lights up several hundred miles north of Suffolk you'll know it's went badly wrong! .......glider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodieb8 Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 tried all the above. we went back to envirotec on wood lures.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted May 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Got you woodie, I do seal with epoxy after ballast, because on gliders I individually ballast each lure in water , I use a quick thin sealcoat just to allow me to ballast each one, then epoxy. Really only an issue on gliders that need critical balancing, particularly gliders designed to fish really slow. Thanks again....glider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 If your just looking for something to seal the wood while your ballasting the lure why not use runny super glue? You won't find anything quicker and it will give more than enough protection against water intrusion for testing. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted May 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Thanks ben,used super glue many times,still do often for prototypes. Coating say a dozen 10 inch gliders at a time ain't no fun with super glue though ,especially with many ballast holes to fill ! Cheers.......glider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodieb8 Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 me and gliders grrrr. have at it boys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted May 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 Many times I've grrrrrrrd also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 Guess I'm not understanding what your trying to achieve Glider. I thought you were just looking for something to seal the wood while you were experimenting with ballast location. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted May 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) No ben, with most gliders I make ,each one has to be individually balanced in water,there's no way round it. With certain glider designs and types its not as crucial ,but with others, it is in my opinion . Basically just a sealcoat to allow balancing, and then epoxy over. ..glider Edited May 13, 2017 by gliders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 As far as plastics in acetone being the same...not really but really just depends on what you are wanting to achieve and how technical you want to get. As far as a seal coat they all will do fine for the most part. The main issue I had were paint/top coat compatibility issues. I used plastic solo cups dissolved in lacquer thinner for a lot of baits with relatively no issues. Plenty of propionate also. Also used plexiglass dissolved in solvent. I switched to shellac a long time ago however for sealing baits. I have had no issues installing ballast/testing with shellac sealed lures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted May 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 Thanks travis, I've also used shellac sanding sealer to do the same job ,worked o.k also . I think sanding sealer may have another ingredient to stop sandpaper clogging and allow smooth sanding ? I can buy what you guy's call laquer in larger more cost effective amounts and suspect it would basically be similar to nitrocellulose sanding sealer without the ingredient which makes it a sanding sealer rather than just a sealer if that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 14 hours ago, gliders said: No ben, with most gliders I make ,each one has to be individually balanced in water,there's no way round it. With certain glider designs and types its not as crucial ,but with others, it is in my opinion . Basically just a sealcoat to allow balancing, and then epoxy over. ..glider Have you tried a waterproof building material, like PVC? I use it, and don't have to seal anything when I float test and ballast my baits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, mark poulson said: Have you tried a waterproof building material, like PVC? I use it, and don't have to seal anything when I float test and ballast my baits. Where's the fun in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Travis said: Where's the fun in that. After three marriages, my definition of fun has changed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted May 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 Not properly tried it mark, messed about with a couple of small lures . I've not really seen anything that I like the look of here. How does the weight compare with say cedar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 7 hours ago, gliders said: Not properly tried it mark, messed about with a couple of small lures . I've not really seen anything that I like the look of here. How does the weight compare with say cedar? The AZEK decking I use is the same weight at poplar, and the AZEK trimboard is close to heavy balsa. I haven't built with cedar, so I don't know how the two compare to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliders Posted May 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 Thanks mark, I might have another look when I get the chance. ..glider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
