Kreate Posted August 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 On 8/10/2018 at 5:44 PM, Chuck Young said: Hope you have a lot of reducer for acryilic paint. You will need it. Createx reducer works. Also use the coarsest needle / head set you have. It still won't spray right. Thank you! Really appreciate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreate Posted August 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 On 8/10/2018 at 6:29 PM, 21xdc said: I have been spraying folk art craft paint for many years.... I'm still trying the $4 color shift. Niiice! I gotta try those paints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreate Posted August 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 On 8/11/2018 at 9:48 AM, 21xdc said: I just eyeball... I have no recipe. That's just straight skills!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreate Posted August 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 On 8/11/2018 at 10:35 AM, MonteSS said: Not sure why you would need to add the floor wax. I always thinned Createx with tap water only and never had a prob. I tried the Createx reducer (which smells like Windex) and found no difference in spraying or cleanup. Wow!!! Thank you didn't know this. This is going to save me time and money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreate Posted August 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 On 8/11/2018 at 12:49 PM, ryanwood99 said: Read on here years ago about this and it works well. I actually just use a little future. Keeps the paint from drying on the needle This is some good content. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreate Posted August 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 On 8/11/2018 at 7:56 PM, 21xdc said: I just bought all the colors offered for $1.49 per bottle at Jo Ann Fabrics. I thinned with Future Floor Finish and it spray as well if not better than createx through my brush's . Future is not a wax... It is an acrylic flow enhancer and water soluble. I gotta try this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreate Posted August 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 On 8/12/2018 at 1:06 PM, Mayberry_Baits said: I also use the floor care and a little water ...works pretty well as long as you stay away from the "extreme glitter" and colors like that, the glitter is just too large...i work in the automotive field and have started using some PPG water based wax and grease remover as a spray through cleaner...it can be diluted way way down and I havnt had any problems with the floor care drying and sticking up the brush. I really gotta try these techniques. Thank you!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreate Posted August 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Hughesy said: I just don't think the folk art color shift is a strong color shift like Spaz Stix paints and other color shift paints. Auto air makes a strong color shift, I think it's their 4400 series. The folk art won't do this. Wow!!! This is some quality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21xdc Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 True... Folk Art wont shift as much, But don't cost as much either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) I guess it's like the old saying you "get what you pay for." Edited August 14, 2018 by Hughesy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21xdc Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Yes, It's true...…. But I'm certain the fish don't care how much I paid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 I don’t think the fish care if you use color shift at all. It all boils down to how much color shift YOU and your customers want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreate Posted August 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 On 8/13/2018 at 6:25 PM, 21xdc said: True... Folk Art wont shift as much, But don't cost as much either. I see what your saying. Looks good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreate Posted August 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 On 8/13/2018 at 8:51 PM, Hughesy said: I guess it's like the old saying you "get what you pay for." Exactly!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreate Posted August 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 On 8/14/2018 at 1:41 AM, 21xdc said: Yes, It's true...…. But I'm certain the fish don't care how much I paid. Haha very true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Young Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Color shifting is a very attractive quality in a bait. I feel it touches more "trigger points". It occurs naturally in baitfish. The more 3-D the finish on your bait, the more effective the color shift will be. Certain foils can also be applied to accomplish a color shift. I think I am with Hughsey on this one. If you want color shifting qualities - go all out. The per bait cost is a few cents . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Young Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 I want to go on record that I have had major problems with the windex - future - water combinations. I mixed up some homemade reducer involving glycerin, distilled water, and amonia free windex. At the same time I bought some brand name reducer (createx). It worked so flawlessly that I never used the home-made concoction. I am still using my first 8 oz bottle of 4012. And I wouldn't dream of using the home-made mix. I estimate the cost per bait at less than 2 cents. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Young Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 The future and pledge and other floor care products are a hard acrylic. I am a former floor care professional. I owned my own floor care business. Think about the qualities you need in a floor care product. Here in New England we have harsh winters and a lot of salt / sand applied in parking lots. That is what floor finishes are designed to withstand. Imagine what it takes to remove that product from your airbrush. Not all acrylics are the same. I choose not to put that stuff into a close tolerance airbrush. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21xdc Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Well.... I have been using it for years w/o issues... In fact, This reminds me that I need to buy another bottle. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpfishing Posted August 19, 2018 Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 I just used Spaztix chrome, color shift and then normal painting over top. Sealed with one coat of KBS on a popper. Took it out this morning, beside crushing them, I already had paint chips. How many coats of KBS do you all use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21xdc Posted August 19, 2018 Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 It takes weeks for KBS to cure... I mostly use 1-2 coats depending on what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpfishing Posted August 19, 2018 Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, 21xdc said: It takes weeks for KBS to cure... I mostly use 1-2 coats depending on what it is. Thanks and interesting. I have been noticing my baits that have been curing longer are harder. Weeks as in 2 or more? What is your depending? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted August 19, 2018 Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 2 hours ago, dpfishing said: I just used Spaztix chrome, color shift and then normal painting over top. Sealed with one coat of KBS on a popper. Took it out this morning, beside crushing them, I already had paint chips. How many coats of KBS do you all use? Well I'm pretty sure that color shift is only painted over a smooth black base coat and no normal paint should be applied over it or you will lose some or all of the shift. With KBS, I always use 2 to 3 coats. The directions say for marine application 3 coats are required. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21xdc Posted August 19, 2018 Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 I only coat blade baits 1 time.... Many topwater and cranks once. Some that may get beat up I would apply 2 coats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21xdc Posted August 19, 2018 Report Share Posted August 19, 2018 Marine applications are sprayed with thin coats needing more of them. Dipping or brushing one coat is probably equivalent to more than spray coats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
