bassmaster0726 Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 I’m looking at spraying an automotive cleR coat on a large number of baits instead of dipping KBS, anyone have experience with technique/ what brand clear to buy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21xdc Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 KBS is an automotive clearcoat... Why not spray that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassmaster0726 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 Do you know how to spray it properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 The best auto clears are all two part catalyzed finishes. There are many choices but the only thing I can recommend is choose one with a high solids content. Of course, all these auto clears contain isocyanates (“cyanate” = cyanide) which can cause serious health problems if inhaled so you need a dedicated spray booth with filtered exhaust plus you must wear a solvent rated breathing mask while spraying them. if it were me, I’d just go the easy way and dip KBS. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBK Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 4 hours ago, BobP said: The best auto clears are all two part catalyzed finishes. There are many choices but the only thing I can recommend is choose one with a high solids content. Of course, all these auto clears contain isocyanates (“cyanate” = cyanide) which can cause serious health problems if inhaled so you need a dedicated spray booth with filtered exhaust plus you must wear a solvent rated breathing mask while spraying them. if it were me, I’d just go the easy way and dip KBS. To piggy back on that.. you not only need a dedicated booth, you need a booth made for volatile sprays as most are flammable when spraying. You'll need to direct vent to outside, and you will need face protection when spraying. That stuff in the face is not a good thing. A full body tyvek suit would be best, just like painters wear. It is absolutely the way to go if you are doing large quantities (hundreds at a time), just a large investment and lots of requirements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassmaster0726 Posted February 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 Well the reason I’m leaning toward a spray on auto clear is I have a bait about to go in production and I will be painting and clearing tons at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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21xdc Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) You can thin with Xylene/Xylol Edited February 6, 2019 by 21xdc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 When faced with a large number to coat, my gut feeling is it’s easier and faster to dip lures than to spray. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladesandbaits Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 KBS is just as nasty as any other 2 part clear. Big difference is very low traces if any of carcinogens so guess its not quite as nasty. (see link below) It will still wreck your lungs regardless. Its clearly the safest alternative . Even if your dipping you need good ventilation and breathing protection. Build yourself a spray booth with the appropriate ventilation. Wear protective clothing and resporator Build some racks for your lures And clear coat with the clear of your choice. (side note) I don't like KBS for production because it takes way to long to cure as do most moisture cure products. Regards, Blades Not sure the link below will work. If not search KBS Diamond finish sds sheets. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1740/5569/files/SDS_KBS_DiamondFinish_1804.pdf?7151834087657074980 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassmaster0726 Posted February 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 So what clear/ method do you prefer say I were to be painting 100 or so cranks a day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBK Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 46 minutes ago, bassmaster0726 said: So what clear/ method do you prefer say I were to be painting 100 or so cranks a day? Hanging racks and dipping KBS. You can dip 100 of them in just a few minutes, takes a couple seconds each. Think of how many thousand Rat L Traps get sold in the world? They are dipped by hand and hung to dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladesandbaits Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 33 minutes ago, bassmaster0726 said: So what clear/ method do you prefer say I were to be painting 100 or so cranks a day? DCU Concept 2021 (Deltron Product) Click on the link scroll down to DCU 2021 https://us.ppgrefinish.com/PPG-Refinish/Products/Automotive-Refinish/Deltron But there are several good ones and i'm sure there are plenty of people here with other brands they use. Some dry quicker some dry longer. Some are only available in gallons and some in quarts. I just like 2021 and have settled on it. It comes in quarts BTW. If you decide on 2021 I would be glad to help you. Regards, Blades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassmaster0726 Posted February 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 Do you spray the 2021? What it gunna run me? And also is it’s thinner/harder than KBS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassmaster0726 Posted February 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 17 hours ago, BBK said: Hanging racks and dipping KBS. You can dip 100 of them in just a few minutes, takes a couple seconds each. Think of how many thousand Rat L Traps get sold in the world? They are dipped by hand and hung to dry. Are the traps dipped in KBS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBK Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 13 hours ago, bassmaster0726 said: Are the traps dipped in KBS? They dont say. I'd guess some sort of lacquer though judging how thin they are and how easy they chip and flake off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishon-son Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 I dip rustolum auto clear works well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladesandbaits Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 On 2/8/2019 at 8:31 AM, bassmaster0726 said: Do you spray the 2021? What it gunna run me? And also is it’s thinner/harder than KBS Spray it. $76.00 quart + Activator $48.00 + Reducer $31.00 Thinner? Depending on how much you reduce it. Harder? I dont know as I have never tested the durometer. I use KBS on my spinnerbaits wont use it on most crankbaits and jerkbaits I custom paint as it tends to ruin the action. Regards, Blades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayBee Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 On 2/10/2019 at 3:06 PM, bladesandbaits said: Spray it. $76.00 quart + Activator $48.00 + Reducer $31.00 Thinner? Depending on how much you reduce it. Harder? I dont know as I have never tested the durometer. I use KBS on my spinnerbaits wont use it on most crankbaits and jerkbaits I custom paint as it tends to ruin the action. Regards, Blades How thick are you going with KBS to ruin the action of your baits? Two coats is plenty unless you are fishing pike or muskies. I use it on cranks for walleye fishing with no issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21xdc Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 Same here.. I have never seen any action ruined from KBS. It's about as thin and tough as I have seen.... It is by far the best I have ever used. Been making baits for 30 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 On 2/9/2019 at 11:00 AM, fishon-son said: I dip rustolum auto clear works well Does it react with soft plastics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladesandbaits Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, JayBee said: How thick are you going with KBS to ruin the action of your baits? Two coats is plenty unless you are fishing pike or muskies. I use it on cranks for walleye fishing with no issues. One coat / issues I had were with Rogues- Pointer Minnows-Staysees and a few Crankbaits. Fritts asked me to never put it on any of his lures again. Customers noticed it and so did I. Probably from hanging them and not turning them as hanging baits from the nose allows more clear to settle to the rear of the bait even with a drip wire regardless how thin it is. Not saying it is an issue with all lures. No doubt it cures really hard . Works for others not for me. Edited February 12, 2019 by bladesandbaits double words 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSpolarich Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 Interesting Blades....never thought too much about that but it does pool on the end of a hanging lure. On baits with sensitive weighting or balance it would cause a problem..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayBee Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, bladesandbaits said: One coat / issues I had were with Rogues- Pointer Minnows-Staysees and a few Crankbaits. Fritts asked me to never put it on any of his lures again. Customers noticed it and so did I. Probably from hanging them and not turning them as hanging baits from the nose allows more clear to settle to the rear of the bait even with a drip wire regardless how thin it is. Not saying it is an issue with all lures. No doubt it cures really hard . Works for others not for me. Interesting, I'd never considered that. I just don't paint many suspending lures I guess. Mostly shad rap , flicker shad style baits, some lipless and musky baits but I use epoxy on the musky stuff. Thanks for replying. Also I was of the understanding that turning MCU wasn't a good idea as the finish could pool and wrinkle the paint. Am I wrong about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladesandbaits Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JayBee said: Interesting, I'd never considered that. I just don't paint many suspending lures I guess. Mostly shad rap , flicker shad style baits, some lipless and musky baits but I use epoxy on the musky stuff. Thanks for replying. Also I was of the understanding that turning MCU wasn't a good idea as the finish could pool and wrinkle the paint. Am I wrong about that? You are more than welcome. Seems we all have different results at times.It all depends on the application. I just dont think theres a one size fits all when it comes to clearcoats. I still use it on lipless/pop r types/redfins/wake baits and topwaters. I have never turned it JayBee. Sorry man maybe someone else can answer who has tried it. Regards, Blades Edited February 12, 2019 by bladesandbaits add to reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
