Tally Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 First let me say this will be for my personal use and not for "sale". After snooping thru the threads I still need help. Looking for a mold 3/8 and 1/2 ounce that will take a Gamakatsu 5/0 hook (non flat eye). I would like the mold to have recessed eyes. Is there a mold out there or am I going to have to modify the mold. I want to attach the blade directly to the eye and not use a split ring. I am not trying to duplicate the Zman jack hammer but get it damn close. Thanks in advance for chiming in Tally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21xdc Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 It's illegal to attach the blade to the hook, Even for personal use and not selling... Don't ask me how I know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tally Posted August 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 34 minutes ago, 21xdc said: It's illegal to attach the blade to the hook, Even for personal use and not selling... Don't ask me how I know. Really?? the patent is that secure on attaching the blade to the hook? Soooooo the guys I see on youtube are illegal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21xdc Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 48 minutes ago, Tally said: Really?? the patent is that secure on attaching the blade to the hook? Soooooo the guys I see on youtube are illegal? YES! Learn for yourself>>> https://www.upcounsel.com/patent-infringement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryanmc Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) "Just for personal" use does not get you around patent infringement. The patent covers direct connection between the hook and head. I had a friend that owned a tackle company and he tried to get around it by using a piece of wire attached to a spinnerbait hook molded into the head and then connected directly to the blade. He got a C&D letter from Zman. Edited August 18, 2019 by bryanmc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Tally said: First let me say this will be for my personal use and not for "sale". After snooping thru the threads I still need help. Looking for a mold 3/8 and 1/2 ounce that will take a Gamakatsu 5/0 hook (non flat eye). I would like the mold to have recessed eyes. Is there a mold out there or am I going to have to modify the mold. I want to attach the blade directly to the eye and not use a split ring. I am not trying to duplicate the Zman jack hammer but get it damn close. Thanks in advance for chiming in Tally I suggest you try to open the eye on that hook before you commit to it. I found that the Gamakatsu hooks are too hard to open, at least with an awl, and that the eye breaks. Maybe you can twist it sideways without breaking it. I found that the Mustad 32786 BLN hook is openable, in the 3/0 and 4/0 sizes, as long as I don't open it too far. Of course, I do not make Chatterbait knockoffs. "That would be wrong, children, very wrong indeed." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tally Posted August 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 35 minutes ago, 21xdc said: YES! Learn for yourself>>> https://www.upcounsel.com/patent-infringement well ok..... then let's just ask what mold makes the best head with recessed eyes.... have no intent to get into a losing battle lol.......3/8 and 1/2 ounce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 First of all like everyone mentioned, it is illegal to attach the blade to the hook eye. However there are still a lot of guys doing it. Doesn't make it right so do what you want. Another thing mentioned is hooks. Barlows used to sell hooks with open eye, however I believe that is no longer available. I have tried to open hook eyes and it's a 50/50 shot that it will work. Many times, the hook eye will break or weaken. The problem is that once you open the eye you have to close it, and this will weaken the eye further. As far as a good jig for this, I would use a Snootie jig. It is thin and seems to wobble well. Just make sure your split rings are loose inside the hook eye. Go to then next hook size up if you need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tally Posted August 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 I assume if I use split rings, it takes 2? has anyone tried a ball bearing swivel like used on spinnerbaits? Pros or cons?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21xdc Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 I'd use 1 split ring and a turned eye hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tally Posted August 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, 21xdc said: I'd use 1 split ring and a turned eye hook. woohoo... that is why this site is good. I had eliminated the flat eye from my thoughts because of direct connect. Thanks!!!! I believe I am on the right track now without getting in trouble lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21xdc Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 This mold works great if you block off the weed guard https://barlowstackle.com/Do-It-Trokar-Pro-Swim-Jig-Weedless-Jig-Molds-P2757/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tally Posted August 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, 21xdc said: This mold works great if you block off the weed guard https://barlowstackle.com/Do-It-Trokar-Pro-Swim-Jig-Weedless-Jig-Molds-P2757/ Perfect.... it will take a 5/0 Gama hook!! do you use the wire bait keepers in that mold?? Not a big deal as a drop of super glue will do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21xdc Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 These soft aluminum molds are easily modified with a hammer/Dremel tool/etc.. You might want to wait until October when this new Manic Mullet comes out. I can see it making a good swim jig after the modifying for any hook and keeper to be added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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21xdc Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 When you get time, Watch this 38 min video... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tally Posted August 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, 21xdc said: mmmmm that looks good.... wonder if it will be available with the flat eye hook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21xdc Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 No. But it would be an easy mod.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basseducer Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 You can use that Mustad straight eye hook. I first heat the eye to a cherry red for about 30 - 45 seconds, let it cool a bit and cast my jig (I was using a sparky jig),the using a drill press and a pin punch gradually open the eye as needed. Then it paint, tie, attach blade and close the eye and done. This reduced the broken eye significantly and i don't know of any that broke during use. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tally Posted August 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 thanks for that video..... very interesting and informative. I see now why they protect it..... because they can lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tally Posted August 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 wow.... do they have a patent on the blade as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 5 hours ago, 21xdc said: This mold works great if you block off the weed guard https://barlowstackle.com/Do-It-Trokar-Pro-Swim-Jig-Weedless-Jig-Molds-P2757/ Or you can put a weed guard in them, and throw them up into the heavy stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21xdc Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, mark poulson said: Or you can put a weed guard in them, and throw them up into the heavy stuff. You loose and miss way too many fish with a weed guard on these baits... The blade needs to fold down to open the hook gap. The weed guard holds the blade from doing so. Yes they have the patent on the 6 sided blades. Edited August 18, 2019 by 21xdc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tally Posted August 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 yes I am not interested in having a weed guard. Which blades out there are the best that are available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfdong Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) You can find the information you’re looking for by doing a search. Lots of threads out there about molds, modifying, opening hooks or using figure 8 links. The poison tail has what you are looking for if you want to modify. The aluminum molds can literally be modified with a hammer, I modify mine by starting with a hammer and refining with dremel. You can’t buy the coffin style from any tackle or component supplier, you might want to try an auction site..... The other route is the D and M swim jig, you can open the eye and attach a blade very easily, comes out looking a lot like their old piranha bladed jig. . Edited August 20, 2019 by rfdong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
