CoreyH Posted February 3, 2020 Report Share Posted February 3, 2020 So far I've only made a few crankbaits, but I've been using superglue (gel) for the hook hangers, line ties, and bills. I fish almost exclusively for bass, so will the superglue be sufficient or should I be using epoxy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly voodoo Posted February 3, 2020 Report Share Posted February 3, 2020 In most cases yes but if it fails on the fish of a life time do you want to be screaming I should have used epoxy I am a firm believer in building overkill just in case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lm22 Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 I use super thin super glue with all of my crankbaits. I use it for bills, line ties, and hook hangers and I have never had one pull out. You can also put baking soda on first and then add the super glue and it will make it even stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobP Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 I have seen and experienced lips coming out of superglued lures. IMO, epoxy has better shock resistance than superglue. For me it’s also a matter of work time. A few seconds for superglue. A couple of hours for Rod Bond paste epoxy. I like time to tweak lips carefully so I prefer epoxy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoreyH Posted February 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 Thanks for the info. Pulling on the hook hangers and line tie, I just don't think a bass, even a decent sized one, is going to pull them out. However, I do like the idea of being able to tweak positioning of the bill by using epoxy. I have had one instance where the super glue set so fast that I had to really push on the bill to get it the rest of the way in. Another few seconds and I don't think I would have been able to get it positioned correctly. Having that extra time would probably come in handy. I'll probably just pick up some 2-part epoxy and use that just to be on the safe side and have the extra time before it sets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chonch12 Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 13 hours ago, lm22 said: I use super thin super glue with all of my crankbaits. I use it for bills, line ties, and hook hangers and I have never had one pull out. You can also put baking soda on first and then add the super glue and it will make it even stronger. I do the super glue and baking soda for my weights, it seals it like a rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoreyH Posted February 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 I'll have to try adding the baking soda...my first few baits I've just used the super glue gel to glue my lead weight in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chonch12 Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, CoreyH said: I'll have to try adding the baking soda...my first few baits I've just used the super glue gel to glue my lead weight in. Careful though it turns rock hard instantly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly voodoo Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 Epoxy and sawdust is another way to plug holes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goolies Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 For the line tie and hook hangers on my balsa bass baits I use cotter pins and super glue. I predrill a hole slightly smaller than the cotter pin, fill the hole with super glue using a disposable microtip, then push in the cotter pin. I've done pull tests on them after they are dry and the balsa will break before the cotter pin will pull out. I use epoxy for the lips. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C32MENO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.mcmaster.com/98401a421 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoreyH Posted February 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 Again, thanks to everyone who is offering ideas and suggestions. Right now I'm using .041" SS wire and a pair of wire twisting pliers to create my line ties and hook hangers. Next time I order from McMaster I'll order some of the cotter pins and give those a try to see which I like better. Bait making sure is a lot of fun. So many different ways to do almost everything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly voodoo Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 25 minutes ago, CoreyH said: Again, thanks to everyone who is offering ideas and suggestions. Right now I'm using .041" SS wire and a pair of wire twisting pliers to create my line ties and hook hangers. Next time I order from McMaster I'll order some of the cotter pins and give those a try to see which I like better. Bait making sure is a lot of fun. So many different ways to do almost everything. Years back I found where someone had tested the cotter pin vs the twisted wire eye method and the twisted wire eye out preformed. Theory behind it is the twisted wire created a better bond over the smooth surface of the cotter pin. The test was done with hanging weight and epoxy not super glue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goolies Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Hillbilly voodoo said: Years back I found where someone had tested the cotter pin vs the twisted wire eye method and the twisted wire eye out preformed. Theory behind it is the twisted wire created a better bond over the smooth surface of the cotter pin. The test was done with hanging weight and epoxy not super glue I still use twisted wire with my larger PVC baits but I have also switched them over to superglue from epoxy. Edited February 4, 2020 by goolies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly voodoo Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, goolies said: I still use twisted wire with my larger PVC baits but I have also switched them over to superglue from epoxy. I stopped using supper glue when I had hardware pull out on cedar salmon plugs. I used it successfully on many other lures in the past with smaller species If it works for you go for it. I will stick to a slow curing epoxy because it holds a superior bond without really impacting cost or time. Most of my stuff is for targeting larger species these days so I always go overkill because I fear a failure costing a exceptional fish To each their own 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastman03 Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 Check out this guys videos - if you have had a question about lure building - he has probably answered it. Great info here.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoreyH Posted February 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 I have watched a few of his videos. I did see one where he tested between super glue and epoxy and the epoxy was much stronger, but the super glue was still plenty strong for bass...at least that's what I remember from it. I usually put my line tie, hook hangers, and bill in at the same time, so I'll probably just switch to epoxy for all of them since I'll have to mix up the epoxy for the bill anyway. I just like the idea of being able to play with the bill some to try and position it perfectly before it sets and I can't adjust it anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmalljawNH Posted February 4, 2020 Report Share Posted February 4, 2020 5 minute epoxy also allows some time to adjust the components when you're setting them in place. Superglue bonds quickly and if your hook hanger is slightly off or your bill is not seated all the way, the 5 minute epoxy allows you some time to adjust it. I'm a beginning bait builder and this was my error. Frustrating to prep a piece of balsa and have to re profile the lip after I glued it in because it wasn't straight and it set before I could fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcromerangler Posted February 5, 2020 Report Share Posted February 5, 2020 14 hours ago, SmalljawNH said: 5 minute epoxy also allows some time to adjust the components when you're setting them in place. Superglue bonds quickly and if your hook hanger is slightly off or your bill is not seated all the way, the 5 minute epoxy allows you some time to adjust it. I'm a beginning bait builder and this was my error. Frustrating to prep a piece of balsa and have to re profile the lip after I glued it in because it wasn't straight and it set before I could fix it. 5 Min epoxy yellows over time. I use devcon 2 ton epoxy. Much stronger is waterproof etc and has longer work time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Epp Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 When I tried to do the baking soda/super glue thing, the glue beaded up and rolled off. Does that mean I need to use thinner glue? It worked pretty well if I put the glue on first and then dust it with baking soda, but that doesn't seem as effective.efficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieMusky527 Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Yeah i had the same thing happen to me when i tried the super glue/ baking soda method.... get you the thinnest runniest super glue you can find and it will absorb into the baking soda much better! Night and Day@ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
