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As a new comer to the hobby my aim is to start out and save money by not buying all the name brand baits which have super high markups, but eventually want to look into selling to others. can those ahead of me share their experiences with this, both positive and negative on moving into selling baits? I'm not looking to become a large bait company, but would like to hear some advice from those of you who have gone into selling. thanks

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 1st off , it will be tough to save any money by making your own baits.  It is a great hobby, but can get expensive to buy all the neat molds and colors and such .

Now  to sell --

It is a very tough competitive market . Even tougher now that Facebook has brought in hundreds of new bait makers. Make sure you have a market for your stuff before you start. Be prepared to pay the 10% excise tax + your state sales tax if you are at the retail end .

You will get a few more guys to chime in and give you more info on the Pros and Cons.  

 You can make it work but it will take time and money .

Good luck on what ever you do .

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Yes 10% fet on all product you produce, bulk buying all raw material is a must for maximum discount, check your state tax guidelines for small business. ( raw material is a tax write off, finished product is taxed as it is a saleable product here in Ky..) Marketing in any way you can is a must, never pay pro staff when starting off. Never ever put product into a store on consignment ( if they have no money tied up into your product, there is no incentive to sell it.) Packaging needs to stand out from the other guys, and remember, this is a very cut throat business, you will get hammer the bigger you get. There is a lot more and others will chime in. One more thing, when you own your own your own business  you only have to work 1/2 a day, just pick which 12 hours you want to work. Good luck.)

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good advice. thanks regarding saving money making yur own baits, I'm surprised to hear it's tough to save. Yes I get there are up front costs but when you get those cleared away yur just talking dyes, glitter, plastic, correct? does this still out weigh the costs when paying $4.99 for a pack of baits? I would guess a gallon of plastisol would get ya close to 200-250 baits and that gallon would be around $30.

 

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Once you start selling baits, it will become a business, no longer a hobby. If you are successful, you will have to work long hours to keep up with demand. How many styles and/or colors are you going to offer? Will you be doing custom work? Molds can add up if you have to have them custom made. Don't forget packaging supplies. 

 

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19 hours ago, 2marshall8 said:

good advice. thanks regarding saving money making yur own baits, I'm surprised to hear it's tough to save. Yes I get there are up front costs but when you get those cleared away yur just talking dyes, glitter, plastic, correct? does this still out weigh the costs when paying $4.99 for a pack of baits? I would guess a gallon of plastisol would get ya close to 200-250 baits and that gallon would be around $30.

 

if you are very , very disciplined on only buying and making baits you would buy .. Just a few colors , a few molds , ( molds can be very costly )  . Buying 5 gallons of plastisol not just a gallon.  ( its last a long time cost way less and you will need it ) you can save some money.  But 95 % of us can not just do that , we need to get a few new molds a few new colors to experiment with .  Before you get your up front cost covered you will need more stuff , It is a fun hobby and its nice to make your own stuff , Now how many $ 4.99 bags do you buy a year ?  Do you use the whole bag up or toss the extra a side and try a different color or style ? 

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On 10/8/2020 at 6:44 AM, Bass-Boys said:

if you are very , very disciplined on only buying and making baits you would buy .. Just a few colors , a few molds , ( molds can be very costly )  . Buying 5 gallons of plastisol not just a gallon.  ( its last a long time cost way less and you will need it ) you can save some money.  But 95 % of us can not just do that , we need to get a few new molds a few new colors to experiment with .  Before you get your up front cost covered you will need more stuff , It is a fun hobby and its nice to make your own stuff , Now how many $ 4.99 bags do you buy a year ?  Do you use the whole bag up or toss the extra a side and try a different color or style ? 

100 % true right here. I've got a few colorants that i'll probably never use & have sold & gave away  several molds that i just  had to have & then didn't use after i got them. As far as selling goes i could sale all i want, but  I already have a job i work 10 hours a day 6 days a week most times. I'll help a buddy out if i have time, but that's about it. I also enjoy making stuff  & swapping with others for their stuff which is pretty fun. You'll get some neat stuff doing it this way. :yay:

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I have been making baits (mostly carved lures, not plastics) and other fishing related stuff for about 3 years.  One of my goals is to make the hobby pay for itself.  I have a sole proprietorship, so I can operate legitimately.  I've found farmers markets and local vendor markets to be a great way to make the money I need to cover my materials and keep growing my collection of equipment. Its been a really fun process. I've learned a lot and met a lot of really neat people.  At some point I might focus more on profit margin, but I figure as long as I make enough to pay for the hobby and take my wife out to dinner or get her flowers I'm doing alright!

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The #1 tip is to not under price your baits. This was the biggest mistake I made in the beginning. Stay firm on your prices especially with friends because they will always want more. Make sure you do not invest money into molds of baits that are infringing on others patents because you will get a cease and desist letter and then you will not be able to sell anything from those molds. Make sure you get the right suppliers at the best prices. American made supplies may tickle your patriotism but it will also hit your wallet (this is a very touchy subject in the current global politics because it affects your shipping times and security of suppliers). You said you are new to the hobby so I would spend a couple of years perfecting the craft before making it a business. Good luck.

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On 4/6/2024 at 7:25 PM, Gigglynx said:

I dabbled in making my own lures for a while, and let me tell you, the learning curve can be a doozy!

But here's the thing: even a side hustle needs a solid foundation. Sure, you can start with duct tape and a dream, but if you want things to scale, organization is key. That's where tools like monday.com partner (not affiliated, but those project management boards are magic) can be a game-changer.

From tracking inventory to streamlining marketing, it keeps everything from getting lost in the tackle box. The key is finding the right balance – enough structure to keep things moving, but not so much that it squashes the creativity.

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I put together a jig business. With a couple pros making marketing videos for the website it drew attention. I focused on selling wholesale and made personal calls to stores.  The pandemic helped tremendously because I had ordered plenty of materials and they were manufactured here in the USA, so no supply issues.  
 

Recently sold the company to a bigger outfit.  It was interesting and profitable but good luck was definitely a factor. 

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Lots of good input posted in this thread of which I believe one of the most important is the decision to turn a hobby into a paying venture.  I had my reasons for starting Fringe none which existed at the time of my retirement.  

If I was to convey anything to a start up:

1)  Clear purpose

2)  Analyze all of the available data prior.

3)  Don't write checks your body can't cash, in other words know your limits if not you'll burn out trying.

4)  Stay your course but maintain the ability to be flexible as needed.

5)  Innovate it's the one issue that you control and by doing so you have ownership.

 

 

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2 hours ago, JBuff said:

Lots of good input posted in this thread of which I believe one of the most important is the decision to turn a hobby into a paying venture.  I had my reasons for starting Fringe none which existed at the time of my retirement.  

If I was to convey anything to a start up:

1)  Clear purpose

2)  Analyze all of the available data prior.

3)  Don't write checks your body can't cash, in other words know your limits if not you'll burn out trying.

4)  Stay your course but maintain the ability to be flexible as needed.

5)  Innovate it's the one issue that you control and by doing so you have ownership.

 

 

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And don't sell yourself too cheap!  Charge enough so you can make money, and feel good about yourself.  Otherwise, you're committing financial suicide.

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On 5/12/2024 at 1:21 PM, mark poulson said:

And don't sell yourself too cheap!  Charge enough so you can make money, and feel good about yourself.  Otherwise, you're committing financial suicide.

Everyone who reads this should take it to heart for example:  I took on a contract to pour 17,500 6" two color worms @ .22 ea.  The profit was .06 ea.  35,000 strokes trust me I was miserable for most of the pour.  When completed they wanted to double the next order, I told them the price would almost double which they balked at and I was kind of happy they did.  

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On 5/12/2024 at 10:25 AM, JBuff said:

Lots of good input posted in this thread of which I believe one of the most important is the decision to turn a hobby into a paying venture.  I had my reasons for starting Fringe none which existed at the time of my retirement.  

Great looking baits!

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Observations I've made over the years: 

1)  Shipping costs have soared stressing the profit threshold, either charge more or eat profit in an effort to stay competitive.  I used a 3% increase rule starting every January, it wasn't enough but it did ease some of the overall profit loss.  

2)  One of the mistakes I made was not weighing out the savings I would have by purchasing plastic in bulk.  Had I done this sooner I would've doubled my profit over the long term. 

3)  Limiting waste, by this I mean I calculated out as near to the ounce I required for each pour based on cavity count.  I was set on only using fresh plastic for my baits because of this it was much simpler to be consistent with the colors.

4)  Building a new business and continuing it's growth are two different issues.  I observed how certain company's were growing or not in most cases it was obvious why in either.  I got caught up in the biggest trap for a period of time and had to make the decision to step back or I wasn't going to last much longer.  The trap was the desire to have product in any retailer that wanted it which leads to all sorts of issues including the increase in time producing to meet demand.  That might sound like a good problem to have, trust me it's not, between the mental and physical stress I almost had a nervous breakdown.

5)  Good publicity isn't always good for a business:  I give an example, it was my first year when I received a message from a major publication asking me to send some baits for an episode of their TV show.  I was flattered at first then the reality of the opportunity hit me.  I had one modified 5 cavity mold for that particular bait the allure of being on TV and a free add in their magazine would've caused a demand I could never fulfill.  There was no way I could afford at the time to purchase and modify more molds to keep up.  Good publicity would've turned into bad publicity because I would be known as the guy that couldn't supply.  The moral of the story is just because it has potential that potential can't influence your decision making to the point it can bury you.  

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