tukta Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 I am doing some lure repaint and need a chrome base,problem I'm having is after spraying chrome then go to clearcoat the chrome goes flat ruining the effect. What methods are you using to keep mirror finish on your lures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishin Big Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 What clear coat are you using? I believe that a black base coat is used for the chrome to pop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD_mudbug Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 You should check out Engineered Angler's videos on YouTube about chrome. He tests several different products and clear coats. Outside of silver plating with a duplex gun, most chrome sprays will dull some. His best spray chrome results seem to come by painting a black base coat, applying a smooth clear coat to the black (the smoother the surface the better), then he sprays the chrome spray product, followed by dipping in floor wax (Pledge Floor Care Finish) for a mid-coat before finishing the paint job and final clear. He has several videos on it. Some are listed below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uo0fyo99G0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-JfyKYWYGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z_jF8EdWCA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Eb_XElOUA4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k3WpdbJTnA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty's Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 ALL Chrome paints will dull when cleared. Why? Because a chrome paint when viewed from the side looks like a forest. A clearcoat fills in between the tree tops and it doesn't reflect as much light in the vertical spectrum. Short of a vapor deposition type finish there doesn't exist a perfect chrome finish. Real chrome excluded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty's Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 HAHA I just saw i'm a newbie. Ok I laughed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tukta Posted November 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 Thanks for the help I think the floor finish is the answer you guys are wealth of info and great help for research thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglinarcher Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 11/1/2021 at 7:04 PM, Salty's said: ALL Chrome paints will dull when cleared. Why? Because a chrome paint when viewed from the side looks like a forest. A clearcoat fills in between the tree tops and it doesn't reflect as much light in the vertical spectrum. Short of a vapor deposition type finish there doesn't exist a perfect chrome finish. Real chrome excluded. 6 months ago, I would have agreed. But, after trying some of the mirror paints I learned about from Engineered Angler, and using the floor wax he recommended, it worked, and worked very well. I am eating crow now, and in truth, loving it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 15 hours ago, Anglinarcher said: 6 months ago, I would have agreed. But, after trying some of the mirror paints I learned about from Engineered Angler, and using the floor wax he recommended, it worked, and worked very well. I am eating crow now, and in truth, loving it. I can't find that floor wax. Which one did you use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglinarcher Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 The original Pledge is the gold standard, but they put cleaners in it now that prevent it from working as well. The Createx intercoat or clear works well also. I am using the below stuff from Home Depot. It is white in the bottle but in about 15 minutes it is completely dry and clear. It is not a "top coat" but works very well as an intercoat. https://www.homedepot.com/p/QUICK-SHINE-64-oz-Floor-Finish-51590/203488484 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Anglinarcher said: The original Pledge is the gold standard, but they put cleaners in it now that prevent it from working as well. The Createx intercoat or clear works well also. I am using the below stuff from Home Depot. It is white in the bottle but in about 15 minutes it is completely dry and clear. It is not a "top coat" but works very well as an intercoat. https://www.homedepot.com/p/QUICK-SHINE-64-oz-Floor-Finish-51590/203488484 Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayBee Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 11/3/2021 at 5:32 PM, Anglinarcher said: The original Pledge is the gold standard, but they put cleaners in it now that prevent it from working as well. The Createx intercoat or clear works well also. I am using the below stuff from Home Depot. It is white in the bottle but in about 15 minutes it is completely dry and clear. It is not a "top coat" but works very well as an intercoat. https://www.homedepot.com/p/QUICK-SHINE-64-oz-Floor-Finish-51590/203488484 Are you spraying this or do you dip the lure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglinarcher Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 I have done both, but I tend to just dip and hang. Takes less time and works for my needs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 22 hours ago, Anglinarcher said: I have done both, but I tend to just dip and hang. Takes less time and works for my needs. I got my HD wax yesterday, and I painted a sample board yesterday and coated it with the wax today. It looks much better than anything else I've tried, so I repainted an older bait with Rustoleum Mirror Chrome today. I'll wax it tomorrow, and let you know how it comes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted November 7, 2021 Report Share Posted November 7, 2021 20 hours ago, mark poulson said: I got my HD wax yesterday, and I painted a sample board yesterday and coated it with the wax today. It looks much better than anything else I've tried, so I repainted an older bait with Rustoleum Mirror Chrome today. I'll wax it tomorrow, and let you know how it comes out. I waxed one side of the bait this morning, so I could compare it to the unwaxed side, and I can't tell the difference. I'm going back out to the garage now to wax the other side, and the bottom. Can I paint/topcoat directly over the wax, or do I need some kind of a binder coat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD_mudbug Posted November 7, 2021 Report Share Posted November 7, 2021 In the comments to one of Engineered Angler’s videos, he says: "The acrylic in the floor wax is super hard and most paints stick to it really well." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZSHv0qKk88&list=PLEVBv_zywucTYrW8i-BqXBWZMdqoc6PnJ&index=17 I do believe I saw where he said to let the chrome dry overnight before dipping in the wax. I have seen him use transparent paint, UV clear resin, and tinted UV resin right on the wax after it cured for a couple of hours. Thanks for keeping us updated. I have been checking to see if I can still find the Pledge Floor Care Multi-Surface Finish in stores. I swear I saw some on a store shelf somewhere recently. It has been discontinued. There is a clear shot of the old product label at 4:56 in the following video if anyone is trying to still find it in stores. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-JfyKYWYGg&t=295s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenlures Posted November 8, 2021 Report Share Posted November 8, 2021 JD I was just wondering if using KBS for final top coat would work. In the video he uses UV clear. I am going to try it and contact Engineered Angler’s for advice, or if someone has tried KBS to see how it works. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD_mudbug Posted November 8, 2021 Report Share Posted November 8, 2021 I don't think the topcoat will matter as long as the wax mid coat is used. As Anglingarcher said, the key is using a wax that does not have cleaners in it. KBS was asked about by someone in the comments. He said " The best results are from using the floor wax but...it still becomes slightly dull. To answer your question, yes you can coat it with KBS over the floor wax." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenlures Posted November 8, 2021 Report Share Posted November 8, 2021 JD Thanks. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1vw Posted December 3, 2021 Report Share Posted December 3, 2021 This stuff is the exact same as the original Pledge Floor Care Multi-Surface; same ingredients, same SCJ formula 35*3597. Just rebranded, I've been using it since the other stuff went off the shelves and it works exactly the same... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
