earthworm77 Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 I've been using popcorn salt with good results but it definately bleaches the color a bit. I'm looking for a fine flake salt that melts clear orwon't change the coor of my plastic. Someone told me there is a feed salt like this but couldn't give me the complete name. Anyone have a salt I should check into and where to get it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 I can't help you, as I'm looking for the same thing. I've got some samples of Cargill salts, but they all melt white. You end up having to add 3 times as much color when you put salt in your plastic. Oh well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuMMeRBaits Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 I have been using LC's Salt. Only problem I have had is it seems to sink to the bottom real quick and doesn't get mixed with the plastic well until the last few worms are poured. It doesn't seem to effect the color to much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Salt is salt is salt. Just find the purest salt you can. I've been using salt for a water softner it's 99.8 % pure. Just pass it through the grinder to get it to the texture you want.(powder or grains). No matter how pure the salt is it will always turn the baits"frosty". You just can't get away from it. You may have to increase the amount of color to get the shade you want. You will never get the bait crystal clear with salt added in the plastic. The more salt the more frosty it will get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthworm77 Posted December 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 I've used LC salt that I ran through a blender and powderized. It does make the baits turn frosty. Question then, how does Yamamoto do it? Will a purer salt be less apt to turn color? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon gaudlitz Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Yamamoto injects their plastic, I think with that, the color penitrates the salt and any air bubbles which I have trouble with are eliminated. Injection is the real deal, but start up cost are expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj_bill Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 For pure salt get some Kosher salt. It is big and flakey but if you grind it down it should work. I don't add salt so I have not tried it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthworm77 Posted December 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 I don't know about injection being the real deal Gordon. There's a big reason why all of us guys got into hand pours and my reason was that I didn't like what I saw in the injection molded baits. I wouldn't mind a set up like GY's though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon gaudlitz Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 The best baits I have ever seen are handpours, that's what inspired me. I thought I could make better baits and it would make me more apart of fishing, I was right on both accounts. When I design a bait I think first on a handpour level, then a injection level. I'm not good enough to mass produce my baits (which kick butt) to make a business out of it. If I only pour baits for me and friends, well that's ok, but I still hope for a injected level. Making baits is all I think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthworm77 Posted December 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 What would it cost to get into injection molding? I think I saw the centrifugal spinner for like 12K. Also can you duplicate hand poured colors with it? I've never seen a green weenie chart tail Zoom bait, so I imagine you can't. I'd be interested though in learning more about it. I guess it is more for a business operation rather than a guy who pours for recreation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsac Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Also can you duplicate hand poured colors with it? Yamamoto has the core shots. Not sure if that's what you mean? Also, Robo worms are not poured by hand. They are poured robotically. It's not technically injection, but I think it could be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsworms Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 What would it cost to get into injection molding? I think I saw the centrifugal spinner for like 12K. Woh......my wife would get a good laugh if I considered investing that kinda money. I can just see the divorce papers now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon gaudlitz Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Well from what I know a injection mold could run around 5 to 6k and then have someone else shoot the plastic. The first production run could cost (depending on the number of colors) around 4 to 5k. This is one style of bait in one size, so you got to make it a good one, but if you have a good outlet then you can sell a lot of baits. From what I've read this is what Gary Y did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigZ Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 The best salt I have found is pickling salt. you have to run it through the grinder, no big deal, but it lacks iodide, which is what turns salt white. It's just salt. Water purifier salt is similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 I used water purifier salt; it's a lot cheaper than pickling salt which is what I used to use. I just bought a 30 lb. bag for $3.00 CDN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senkosam Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 water purifier salt - is that the same as water softener salt? If I grind it, it won't turn the plastic milky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Grinding any salt is going to make the bait milky. By grinding you are adding millions of additional facets, fractures, imperfections, etc... to make the salt crystals opaque/white. Unfortunately in order to make it feasible to get the salt to suspend in the bait it has to be broken down into smaller pieces or a more involved stir method needs to be employed. Most manufactuers don't grind their salt anywhere as fine as many try most seem to use much larger salt. I wonder what the average size of the salt crystals used by most manufactuers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJFishRGuy Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Does grinding the salt into a powder help it stay better suspended in the plastic? I have to stir every two sticks to keep it mixed up and I'd like to at least be able to pour 4 between stirs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james bradshaw Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Yes from my experience the salt does suspend better the finer it is. I started with popcorn salt, but now I only use floured salt. The floured salt takes alot less stirring and seems to give your worms more flexability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJFishRGuy Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 OK, I definitely gotta give that a try! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senkosam Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Finely ground salt in clear plastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasbass1 Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 One question I have is how much salt per ounce? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 It all depends on how fast you want the bait to sink. 30 to 50%. You have to play around a little. The more salt you use the more you have to stir between pours. Also the temp of the water will play a part. The colder the water the denser it is and the bait will sink slower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
