william cohen Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 Here is the finished product the bead doesn't interfere with the spinning of the clevis whether it spins faster or slower I'm not quite sure. Please give me your opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azsouth Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 I believe it will spin slower with a possible stutter. You might also have issues with starting the blade. Let us know how it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 What is the reason to add the bead on the shaft inside the clevis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william cohen Posted June 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) I don't know this as a fact but I presume that the clevis would move and rotate faster with more ease? It was my reason trying this. Edited June 20, 2022 by william cohen forgot to finish sentence 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azsouth Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 Keep trying things and let your imagination run wild. The worst thing that can happen is it does not work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william cohen Posted June 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck 2 Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 I would think that if bead and clevis is not proportionate it could cause some jamming or delayed blade pick up when it hits the water plus it may cause a bit more friction /wind resistance if fouled while casting. Other than adding a bit of weight, minimal and a bit of added color /flash /originality to your creation I would be surprised if it increases blade spin or reduces friction. As the blade lifts it pulls outward on the clevis and would not even touch the bead. I have seen a lot of designs of spinners that are using tandem blade clevis set ups with the bead actually providing a bearing surface between clevis surfaces and that has performance value. That is the beauty of creative energy and design, if you like it and it works then go for it . A bead dose not cost a lot unless your going into full production mode so make some and try em out on the fish. If they like em your golden. Just my feed back . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william cohen Posted June 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 canuck2, thank you for your opinion. The reason for the bead is to act as a bearing to help the clevis to move freely which in turn would allow the blade to rotate faster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 4 hours ago, william cohen said: canuck2, thank you for your opinion. The reason for the bead is to act as a bearing to help the clevis to move freely which in turn would allow the blade to rotate faster? I would test that idea with an air compressor to see if it is actually the case. That's how I test all my propped baits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck 2 Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 William yes I understand what you want to achieve . Metal beads provide a reduced contact surface area between components and that is why they are usually round for our purpose. On a wire shaft lure the clevis holding/ supporting the blade moves back and forth along the wire shaft until the lure is retrieved. At that point drag pulls everything along the shaft toward the back of the lure putting load or pressure against all the components. The more weight that each component is subjected to is different as you move from back to front along the shaft . Certain key bearing or bead surfaces do more work for you than others . If the front bead ahead of the clevis has no real weight forced against it, dose it actually do anything to improve rotation ,How can it reduce friction if there is none to contend with ? The bead in your example is between the clevis legs and sees no real side load or weight pushing on it. I certainly recommend a bead down stream on shaft contacting the clevis and up stream of it if your mounting anything else that would directly rub against the clevis surface. A bead between clevis legs can be decorative and dose not need to be heavy ,metal and as it has no side load imparted to it , it is totally up to you if you want to use it or not .IMHO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azsouth Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 I have found in fishing inline spinners that I have a lot more bites at the bottom end of the blade speed, almost to the point that the blade will stutter/shimmy or just stop... I would say 90% of all my fish come from the unstable slower speeds. You need to figure out what works for the fish and area you are fishing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, azsouth said: I have found in fishing inline spinners that I have a lot more bites at the bottom end of the blade speed, almost to the point that the blade will stutter/shimmy or just stop... I would say 90% of all my fish come from the unstable slower speeds. You need to figure out what works for the fish and area you are fishing. I do the same thing with chatterbaits in the winter. I drag them slowly along the bottom, with a rage bug trailer, so the blade acts like a rattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly voodoo Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 19 hours ago, azsouth said: I have found in fishing inline spinners that I have a lot more bites at the bottom end of the blade speed, almost to the point that the blade will stutter/shimmy or just stop... I would say 90% of all my fish come from the unstable slower speeds. You need to figure out what works for the fish and area you are fishing. The last part of your comment is bang on. Personally I have had good luck with bass running really slow but when it comes to trout and coho salmon a fast spinning blade swung slowly through a river is king Just like all lure fishing you need to try different retrieves till you find what they want and it can change depending on temperature or other conditions As for the original post have you tested it yet? Personally I could see it interrupting the spinning of the blade do to it making contact with the bead. Small metal beads on the outside of the clevis top and bottom is definitely the proven way to achieve a good spin If it causes the blade to stutter you might get a click sound of the bead and blade making contact. This might be something useful test it and let’s hear the feedback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william cohen Posted June 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 I haven't had it in the water yet, doing more talking than action. Hope to get to it this weekend. Got smashed with honey do's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william cohen Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 The good part, when the spinner was reeled at the normal speed it ran very well. To my eyes I believe it spun faster than any other lure I tested. But it has many negative's. At a slower speed trying to just roll the blade over it would not start. Blade stayed close to the wire. Tried to jerk the spinner it would not start. Only fast speed made it work. Well nothing ventured nothing gained. Learned a great deal from you posts. Thanks for everything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
