Tiderunner Posted October 22, 2023 Report Share Posted October 22, 2023 I'll probably go with Bait Plastics. How about y'all? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basskat Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 I already buy my plastics there. Most my colorants come from MF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canga~ Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 i use bait plastics for my plastisol and a few colorants, lureworks for most of my colorants and glitter. they are great, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Young Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 I use bait plastics plastisol & so far other than their monkey milk colorant i use lureworks for everything else. I've tried others but i just don't like them like i do lureworks colorantsor glitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreekLifeLureCo Posted October 24, 2023 Report Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) Since MF is moving we went to baitplastics 342 ultra clear because our baits are all small panfish baits. They look amazing right out of the mold but We are having an issue with the baits curing into a dull finish with no shine. We heat it the same way we have done deadon and MF in the shooting star. We even tried a microwave with the same results. We mix it for several minutes with the 5 gallon mixer and a drill. Anyone have an idea what is going wrong? MF is by far the best product we have used and we have used just about everyone's because we wanted the best so we ran the tests and MF out performed them all. We just ordered some of the doit crystal clear in hopes that it will make due until MF is back up. Anyone had experience with doit? Edited October 24, 2023 by CreekLifeLureCo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Young Posted October 24, 2023 Report Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) I don't understand why your baits are coming out with a dull finish using any plastic from baitplastics. Mine always come out shiny & if i'm making them translucent they're crystal clear. Seems odd honestly. Edited October 25, 2023 by Les Young 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsworms Posted October 25, 2023 Report Share Posted October 25, 2023 8 hours ago, CreekLifeLureCo said: Since MF is moving we went to baitplastics 342 ultra clear because our baits are all small panfish baits. They look amazing right out of the mold but We are having an issue with the baits curing into a dull finish with no shine. We heat it the same way we have done deadon and MF in the shooting star. We even tried a microwave with the same results. We mix it for several minutes with the 5 gallon mixer and a drill. Anyone have an idea what is going wrong? MF is by far the best product we have used and we have used just about everyone's because we wanted the best so we ran the tests and MF out performed them all. We just ordered some of the doit crystal clear in hopes that it will make due until MF is back up. Anyone had experience with doit? Very strange thing to happen with ANY brand of plastic. My first instinct was the mold, but if you say they are nice coming out, gotta be something in the mix. Are you using heavy salt? Changed your mixture or coloring by chance? I'd still consider trying a different mold and also I'd love to see a picture of the problem. As said, never had to worry about anything with MF. Emails and phone calls have gone unanswered. Hope you all find something comparable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Posted October 25, 2023 Report Share Posted October 25, 2023 Are you adding heat stabilize or scent? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreekLifeLureCo Posted October 25, 2023 Report Share Posted October 25, 2023 No additives just straight plastisol. We use molds from fatguysfishing, anglingai, and epicbaitmolds, and a few others. Our colors and flake are deadon. When I get home from work today I will post pictures. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreekLifeLureCo Posted October 25, 2023 Report Share Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) 21 hours ago, alsworms said: Very strange thing to happen with ANY brand of plastic. My first instinct was the mold, but if you say they are nice coming out, gotta be something in the mix. Are you using heavy salt? Changed your mixture or coloring by chance? I'd still consider trying a different mold and also I'd love to see a picture of the problem. As said, never had to worry about anything with MF. Emails and phone calls have gone unanswered. Hope you all find something comparable. Here are some pictures for reference. We didn't spend the extra time to get the micro bubbles out since these are just test baits. Pic#1 is after 48hrs of hang curing with baitplastics where it gets the matte dull finish Pic#2 is immediately after shooting with baitplastics where they look amazing before curing. Pic#3 is 48hr cure baitplastics with deadon black color and blue Flake Pic#4 is 48hr cure with MF plastic We also throw the baits in a ice bath immediately after injection for 5 minutes then hang them to air cure for 48hrs. We are going to try and skip the ice bath to see if putting them in the ice bath is causing them to "flash" similar to what happens when you try to cure clear coat paint to fast without it having time to naturally cure. Edited October 25, 2023 by CreekLifeLureCo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bass-Boys Posted October 25, 2023 Report Share Posted October 25, 2023 Is picture #4 using the same dye and flake as # 3 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreekLifeLureCo Posted October 25, 2023 Report Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Bass-Boys said: Is picture #4 using the same dye and flake as # 3 ? Yes same dye and flake (Deadon) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsworms Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 How are they packaged for the customer? That dull finish looks to be easily fixed by oiling your baits in the package. A few drops of worm oil in each bag should do the trick. If you are salting them, hopefully the customer doesn't notice. Either way doesn't sit well with me, though. I'm calling the plastisol being the problem and anytime you have to hide an issue, not good. If I'm making those baits, I'm checking out samples from other companies. Sorry, brother, but that's just my Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreekLifeLureCo Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 11 hours ago, alsworms said: How are they packaged for the customer? That dull finish looks to be easily fixed by oiling your baits in the package. A few drops of worm oil in each bag should do the trick. If you are salting them, hopefully the customer doesn't notice. Either way doesn't sit well with me, though. I'm calling the plastisol being the problem and anytime you have to hide an issue, not good. If I'm making those baits, I'm checking out samples from other companies. Sorry, brother, but that's just my We package them in 3x3 and 3x4 bags with a couple drips of worm oil. We do not add salt to the baits. We have not sold any of the baits made using this 5 gallon of plastisol and we will not. We emailed baitplastics and are currently talking with them for a possible solution. We have never had an issue with any other baitplastics plastisol so we are thinking this is a bad batch. We have also talked personally with MF several weeks ago. Just like others have confirmed on this forum, they are currently moving and plan to be running at 75% by Christmas. MF product is by far the best we have used and we hope it continues to be so after the move or what I would call more of a "split" I do not want to make comments said during our conversation public in respect to their privacy but I do believe things will smooth out after the move. I do agree a more informative message should be on the site but that's my opinion, at least their is something there. Thank you all for the help! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsworms Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 3 hours ago, CreekLifeLureCo said: We package them in 3x3 and 3x4 bags with a couple drips of worm oil. We do not add salt to the baits. We have not sold any of the baits made using this 5 gallon of plastisol and we will not. We emailed baitplastics and are currently talking with them for a possible solution. We have never had an issue with any other baitplastics plastisol so we are thinking this is a bad batch. We have also talked personally with MF several weeks ago. Just like others have confirmed on this forum, they are currently moving and plan to be running at 75% by Christmas. MF product is by far the best we have used and we hope it continues to be so after the move or what I would call more of a "split" I do not want to make comments said during our conversation public in respect to their privacy but I do believe things will smooth out after the move. I do agree a more informative message should be on the site but that's my opinion, at least their is something there. Thank you all for the help! I would agree 100% about MF. Hoping it's a bad batch, brother. Good luck!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveMc1 Posted November 13, 2023 Report Share Posted November 13, 2023 On 10/24/2023 at 11:53 AM, CreekLifeLureCo said: Since MF is moving we went to baitplastics 342 ultra clear because our baits are all small panfish baits. They look amazing right out of the mold but We are having an issue with the baits curing into a dull finish with no shine. We heat it the same way we have done deadon and MF in the shooting star. We even tried a microwave with the same results. We mix it for several minutes with the 5 gallon mixer and a drill. Anyone have an idea what is going wrong? MF is by far the best product we have used and we have used just about everyone's because we wanted the best so we ran the tests and MF out performed them all. We just ordered some of the doit crystal clear in hopes that it will make due until MF is back up. Anyone had experience with doit? Unfortunately it is an issue with some of their mixes. I am shocked they havent fixed it yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiderunner Posted November 25, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2023 As most of you have replied, I spread my purchases around. LureWorks has some colors MF didn't. Dead on Same thing. I have trays of colorings, from all different companies. Glitters bought from EBay sellers that nobody else had. Molds from everyone.Including my very first open pour silicone mold from Barlows from some 30 years ago. I have Delmart molds, Do-it, Jacobs, AI, FGF, And I'll continue to buy that way. Barlows even has new glitters out. I'll be buying some. Although I already buy a lot of supplies from them for other stuff. My underwear may have holes, and the kids need new shoes, but I still would rather buy bait making supplies and in turn fishing stuff. They're all good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRum Posted December 26, 2023 Report Share Posted December 26, 2023 On 10/24/2023 at 8:53 AM, CreekLifeLureCo said: Since MF is moving we went to baitplastics 342 ultra clear because our baits are all small panfish baits. They look amazing right out of the mold but We are having an issue with the baits curing into a dull finish with no shine. We heat it the same way we have done deadon and MF in the shooting star. We even tried a microwave with the same results. We mix it for several minutes with the 5 gallon mixer and a drill. Anyone have an idea what is going wrong? MF is by far the best product we have used and we have used just about everyone's because we wanted the best so we ran the tests and MF out performed them all. We just ordered some of the doit crystal clear in hopes that it will make do until MF is back up. Anyone had experience with doit? I’ve experienced this issue with 2 different bait plastic’s formula’s multiple time. Ironically I’ve discovered that bait plastic’s remelts actually set up cleaner and more consistent, ie. no dulling a day or 2 later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRum Posted January 25 Report Share Posted January 25 (edited) On 1/6/2024 at 8:08 AM, CNC Molds N Stuff said: One of the bragging points these days is heat tolerance. I wonder if the remelts are gassing out more and that's why they seem to finish better. I wondered that. I haven’t really been able to try it out yet with 342 but the 312 did that years ago when I used it. Baits would dull out and worse off they’d get really oily over time. That’s why I stopped using it. The 343 seems to hold up stored without getting oily but like we’ve said, dulls out quickly and it cures somewhat tacky/stick to the touch. Definitely better than oily but I prefer a neutral to the touch cured feeling. I’m curious if heating it up initially to 365-380 would bypass the issues. I’m not a PVC dispersion tech but I suspect some sort of compound/additive would change seal the feel of the cure neutral. I say this because when I mix 342 with plastic that cures neutral and smooth, then the final mix cures correctly. Edited January 25 by RedRum To add more information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveMc1 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 (edited) On 1/24/2024 at 7:33 PM, RedRum said: I wondered that. I haven’t really been able to try it out yet with 342 but the 312 did that years ago when I used it. Baits would dull out and worse off they’d get really oily over time. That’s why I stopped using it. The 343 seems to hold up stored without getting oily but like we’ve said, dulls out quickly and it cures somewhat tacky/stick to the touch. Definitely better than oily but I prefer a neutral to the touch cured feeling. I’m curious if heating it up initially to 365-380 would bypass the issues. I’m not a PVC dispersion tech but I suspect some sort of compound/additive would change seal the feel of the cure neutral. I say this because when I mix 342 with plastic that cures neutral and smooth, then the final mix cures correctly. A friend of mine was buying quite a bit of plastic from Polysol (The manufacturing side of BP) and had the issue of it dulling bad and they didn't seem to want to fix it it seemed, this was several years ago. I am having them make me a specific mix for running through the machines (doesn't work that well in a microwave and won't work in the SS setups) and don't seem to have this dulling issue (for the last 2 years). Edited January 27 by DaveMc1 correction 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miamisheriff Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 On 1/27/2024 at 8:34 AM, DaveMc1 said: A friend of mine was buying quite a bit of plastic from Polysol (The manufacturing side of BP) and had the issue of it dulling bad and they didn't seem to want to fix it it seemed, this was several years ago. I am having them make me a specific mix for running through the machines (doesn't work that well in a microwave and won't work in the SS setups) and don't seem to have this dulling issue (for the last 2 years). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miamisheriff Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 Just now, Miamisheriff said: On 1/27/2024 at 8:34 AM, DaveMc1 said: A friend of mine was buying quite a bit of plastic from Polysol (The manufacturing side of BP) and had the issue of it dulling bad and they didn't seem to want to fix it it seemed, this was several years ago. I am having them make me a specific mix for running through the machines (doesn't work that well in a microwave and won't work in the SS setups) and don't seem to have this dulling issue (for the last 2 years). On 1/27/2024 at 8:34 AM, DaveMc1 said: A friend of mine was buying quite a bit of plastic from Polysol (The manufacturing side of BP) and had the issue of it dulling bad and they didn't seem to want to fix it it seemed, this was several years ago. I am having them make me a specific mix for running through the machines (doesn't work that well in a microwave and won't work in the SS setups) and don't seem to have this dulling issue (for the last 2 years). Why will your specific blend not work in a microwave or SS setups? Heat it up to inject, and cool it down is constant with all plastisol baits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveMc1 Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 12 hours ago, Miamisheriff said: Why will your specific blend not work in a microwave or SS setups? Heat it up to inject, and cool it down is constant with all plastisol baits. It is too thick. Even at 360* it doesn't seem thin enough to be cooked 100%, It will work in a microwave but it's very tricky to get the heating down properly and doesn't pour well. The tiny nozzles in the SS injector makes this not work that great in the SS either. It is meant for production equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassmaster Rick Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 I mainly use BP plastisol and MF colorants with no issues except for denting when only using AI molds, never any denting with BTS molds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
searunrainbows Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 I tried the Bait Plastics 242 & 262 (Ultra Clear ) Same experience as creeklife, ruins everything reached out to them & they were aware of the issue, they said try with no heat stabilizer, I did, same thing happens Now they wont answer the phone & i have emailed them twice politely asking if they fixed the problem yet. No response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
