Judgie Posted January 17 Report Share Posted January 17 Well I finally bit the bullet and ordered one. This should make my life a lot easier. AT LEAST IT MAKES ME A LITTLE POORER 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basscatlildave Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 Nice be sure to post pics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Posted January 21 Report Share Posted January 21 2 hours ago, CNC Molds N Stuff said: I've always thought the Shooting Star system was a great idea for small scale production. Ever since the first ones sold by Bear's Baits ages ago made with Presto pots. Didn't Bears have a system that used the slide injectors something like Jacob's uses now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveMc1 Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 On 1/21/2024 at 2:09 PM, Driftwood said: Didn't Bears have a system that used the slide injectors something like Jacob's uses now? Bear started out buying the centre rotating manifold and injector from Chris Archer at Ultra Molds, adapting it to a pair of presto pots with his stirring setups on them. It had its issues for sure. After that rotating manifold it changed to the current style on the UM SS's and then his health took a horrible turn and he shut his business down. By that time UM was selling their first version of the SS (I had 2 of them and one of Bear's prior) At one point Bear was marketing a bench top injection machine designed and built by Chris at Ultra Molds. It used small heat exchangers with pressure pots that held a 2-5 gallon pail of pre mixed plastic and used the Bear's/Ultra Molds hinged molds. It had all sorts of issues with it, went through a re-design as salt and glitter had a tendency to settle out and plug it up. After that it didn't really go anywhere. I know a few guys that had one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miamisheriff Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 What is a centre rotating manifold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcbv Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 On 1/23/2024 at 7:20 AM, DaveMc1 said: Bear started out buying the centre rotating manifold and injector from Chris Archer at Ultra Molds, adapting it to a pair of presto pots with his stirring setups on them. It had its issues for sure. After that rotating manifold it changed to the current style on the UM SS's and then his health took a horrible turn and he shut his business down. By that time UM was selling their first version of the SS (I had 2 of them and one of Bear's prior) At one point Bear was marketing a bench top injection machine designed and built by Chris at Ultra Molds. It used small heat exchangers with pressure pots that held a 2-5 gallon pail of pre mixed plastic and used the Bear's/Ultra Molds hinged molds. It had all sorts of issues with it, went through a re-design as salt and glitter had a tendency to settle out and plug it up. After that it didn't really go anywhere. I know a few guys that had one. Did that become the Ultra Molds Big Blue injection system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveMc1 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 11 hours ago, Miamisheriff said: What is a centre rotating manifold? Something UltraMolds stopped making YEARS ago. It sucked!!! 9 hours ago, rcbv said: Did that become the Ultra Molds Big Blue injection system? No. That was being worked on around the same time I believe. I tried to buy the "Big Blue" (It's a vertical pie machine at the end of the day) many many years ago (8-10 years) and couldn't wrap my head around having to pull the molds out and move to another bench every cycle. Chris acted like I had 3 heads when I wanted to bolt the molds in. Fortunately I didn't buy one way back then, I have talked to quite a few that own them and they all had the same kind of issues getting it running the way it should. I am running a full size vertical injection machine now and am VERY happy I held out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miamisheriff Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 Who makes your vertical injection machine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveMc1 Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 (edited) 12 hours ago, Miamisheriff said: Who makes your vertical injection machine? I rebuilt a stripped down old machine myself, with a lot of help. If you're in the market for one you're either going to look at BaitJunkys (1000% what I would buy if I was in the market for a new machine, It is just built better with a lot better control) or Zorn. costs I've seen are anywhere between $55k - $80k depending on who you get it from and the options you go with. Edited January 28 by DaveMc1 Added info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveMc1 Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 21 hours ago, CNC Molds N Stuff said: If you are interested in seeing how big machines run there is a decent video from the Southern Plastics plant on YouTube. They also briefly showed a bit of "robotic" open pouring using modified or purpose built CNC gantries. That's exactly how I told Carolina Mike it would be done when he was saying it was more likely Robo was just using cheap Mexican labor to hand pour. LOL. Maybe they were, but machines cost less to run than even Mexican labor. I was also doing some work for maquiladoras around that time and knew first hand that while labor in Mexico is less, it's not cheap like some places in Asia. Robo's machine is entirely different, they use MANY single cavity molds on a carousel that rotates to the 3 nozzles and the 4th salt dispenser, their baits are definitely made in house out in CA. Caught just enough in a video clip a few years ago. Southern's is a CNC deal Zorn built them and they copied (5 times). Funny tidbit of info, that entire MASSIVE operation was moved to Costa Rica in the last couple years. They lost something like 80% of their customers, including Zoom and BPS (their 2 largest clients). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miamisheriff Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 On 1/28/2024 at 8:24 AM, DaveMc1 said: I rebuilt a stripped down old machine myself, with a lot of help. If you're in the market for one you're either going to look at BaitJunkys (1000% what I would buy if I was in the market for a new machine, It is just built better with a lot better control) or Zorn. costs I've seen are anywhere between $55k - $80k depending on who you get it from and the options you go with. Will you please post some pictures of your machine in operation? Where can I purchase your baits? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveMc1 Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 Some of our baits (Angler's Choice) are available on Tackle Warehouse. Our tubes are produced on the big machine. Sorry, not going to post pictures. It looks and operates VERY similar to the machines in the video CNC Molds posted (Southern Plastics) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miamisheriff Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Yeah, I knew you where full of sh--. You might want to try honesty next time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
