Color Help

[Tiderunner]

Trying to duplicate Berkley Power Bait Camo. Not having much luck. Tried the recipe in the cookbook but it comes out looking like mud. I want to make 7 1/2 in ribbontail worms which is all I use. I can easily buy some. But I have enough supplies to make enough to last till the end of time. Anyone else

male these? Or this color?

[Bass-Boys]

Looks like a laminate ?? 

  I would try brown pumpkin - not too much 

 then the flake,

[Tiderunner]

2 hours ago, Bass-Boys said:

Looks like a laminate ?? 

  I would try brown pumpkin - not too much 

 then the flake,

I don't think it's a laminate. I think my problem is the oxblood colorant. The one I am using is an old Lurecraft colorant. It's more of a muddy color.  I used this to make what was once called fat boys, though I can't remember the bass pros name attached to it. Heavy with salt, and deadly. I've still been researching and I see Lureworks has a translucent oxblood. That may be the difference. This damn camo color is one of the only two to ever beat me. The other is Yamamoto 197. A clear with medium black, and small red flake. With just a slight cloudiness to it. Most likely from salt. I can come almost close, but I'm trying to prefect it as that is one of my favorites. Also I had Yamamoto perch down, and they go and change it! Still the original catches fish.

Until I can perfect 197, and camo I'll just buy a few packs every season.

[Bass-Boys]

on tackle warehouse the tail looks brownish not reddish ? Maybe its not a good representation of the color ? Looked lite oxblood laminate over lite brown and the brown makes the tail.

 

 Did I give you a # 197  recipe ?  Is it Cinnamon with black flake ? 

 

 

[Les Young]

Can you not lighten up on the lurecraft colorant & get it or back off of it a little & add a little of another colorant?

[Les Young]

4 hours ago, Bass-Boys said:

Looks like a laminate ?? 

  I would try brown pumpkin - not too much 

 then the flake,

I see a laminate too with a very light green  top & a  light brown on bottom on their sight when i look up original power worm in camo. May be able to get very close with a  small amount of green pumpkin & a drop of florescent lime for the top & a small amount of brown based green pumpkin with a small amount of  orange for the bottom. Yellow is also another good color to add to both green or brown based green pumpkin colors to cloud it or brighten it & make a small transparent  amount of either into an opaque color.

[Les Young]

4 hours ago, Bass-Boys said:

Looks like a laminate ?? 

  I would try brown pumpkin - not too much 

 then the flake,

Of course you knew this already. Don't know why i was trying to explain it to you. Which i wasn't. 

[Bass-Boys]

12 hours ago, Les Young said:

Of course you knew this already. Don't know why i was trying to explain it to you. Which i wasn't. 

[Tiderunner]

17 hours ago, Bass-Boys said:

on tackle warehouse the tail looks brownish not reddish ? Maybe its not a good representation of the color ? Looked lite oxblood laminate over lite brown and the brown makes the tail.

 

 Did I give you a # 197  recipe ?  Is it Cinnamon with black flake ? 

 

 

Nope. Clear with small red and medium black. Somewhat cloudy probably from salt. When wet it takes on a pink cast. When it first came out we called it shrimp.

Camo is definitely not a laminate at least in power worms. It is almost a transparent root beer? With green highlight? It changes color depending on how you look at it. The saltwater big stuff is definitely a laminate.

Who knows maybe Berkeley changed the recipe and it’s now a laminate?

16 hours ago, Les Young said:

Can you not lighten up on the lurecraft colorant & get it or back off of it a little & add a little of another colorant?

The problem with the o blood is it’s not transparent at all so lightening it won’t help. It will just look like lighter mud.

Man!I wish I could remember what bass pro made the lures I used made in o blood.

[DaveMc1]

On 3/23/2024 at 5:11 PM, Tiderunner said:

I don't think it's a laminate. I think my problem is the oxblood colorant. The one I am using is an old Lurecraft colorant. It's more of a muddy color.  I used this to make what was once called fat boys, though I can't remember the bass pros name attached to it. Heavy with salt, and deadly. I've still been researching and I see Lureworks has a translucent oxblood. That may be the difference. This damn camo color is one of the only two to ever beat me. The other is Yamamoto 197. A clear with medium black, and small red flake. With just a slight cloudiness to it. Most likely from salt. I can come almost close, but I'm trying to prefect it as that is one of my favorites. Also I had Yamamoto perch down, and they go and change it! Still the original catches fish.

Until I can perfect 197, and camo I'll just buy a few packs every season.

Your biggest problem (and the problem most are going to have working with that old cookbook) is the recipes are so old the pigments used in them are no longer available or have changed. That Berkley Camo colour was cooked up by Del @ DelMart 21 years ago using the pigments that haven't been available for a long time. Would probably be best to grab a pack and see if you can match a sample you have in hand using pigments that are readily available. 

Edited March 25 by DaveMc1

[DaveMc1]

Here is a picture of their Camo in a different bait. Definitely a laminate. Like I had said, putting your hands on them will give you a much better idea of the colour and will make matching it far easier. 

Edited March 25 by DaveMc1

[Bass-Boys]

10 hours ago, DaveMc1 said:

Here is a picture of their Camo in a different bait. Definitely a laminate. Like I had said, putting your hands on them will give you a much better idea of the colour and will make matching it far easier. 

100 %   agree on having the bait in hand.

[Tiderunner]

On 3/25/2024 at 8:35 AM, DaveMc1 said:

Your biggest problem (and the problem most are going to have working with that old cookbook) is the recipes are so old the pigments used in them are no longer available or have changed. That Berkley Camo colour was cooked up by Del @ DelMart 21 years ago using the pigments that haven't been available for a long time. Would probably be best to grab a pack and see if you can match a sample you have in hand using pigments that are readily available. 

Yup I have a pack on hand. 7" Power Worms. The worms I have seem to be a single color, Yet depending on what angle or lighting you see them in it may have a red highlight, then a green. While the bait remains clear with red and green flake.

Not sure how old the oxblood pigment I have is. It's at least 6 years old. Definitely not 20. I bought it specifically to duplicate the camo color from the recipe page. And to make some oxblood colored worms from an old style worm that was pretty awesome at catching fish. The oxblood was perfect for that.

On 3/25/2024 at 8:46 AM, DaveMc1 said:

Here is a picture of their Camo in a different bait. Definitely a laminate. Like I had said, putting your hands on them will give you a much better idea of the colour and will make matching it far easier. 

Definitely not the Camo color I'm trying to make. That pic is a laminate. Maybe Berkley changed their recipe?

 

On 3/25/2024 at 7:19 PM, Bass-Boys said:

100 %   agree on having the bait in hand.

Got the baits in hand. Just can't seem to get it to where I want. It's like 2 different highlight colors in one bait. I may try to take a photo of the actual bait but I doubt a photo will show the proper coloring.

[Tiderunner]

On 3/24/2024 at 11:18 AM, Tiderunner said:

The problem with the o blood is it’s not transparent at all so lightening it won’t help. It will just look like lighter mud.

Man!I wish I could remember what bass pro made the lures I used made in o blood.

The bass pro was Don Iovino.