snake2375 Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 i was tired of paying those high prices for mojo weights that i decided to make my on mold and see if i could come up with my own. i made a mold out of aluminum and was able to make two sizes, 1/2 and 3/4oz. they worked great and i was very pleased with the outcome. the ends are more rounded then a mojo and trust me a lot cheaper. I got my lead from a friend that was remolding a doctors offices x-ray room. so now i have more money to help put back for a bass boat and maybe one day i will have enough. i am posting a picture of the weights i pour, so let me know what you think. 3/4 on the left and 1/2 on the right. tight lines and good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake2375 Posted March 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 sorry my fellow anglers i could not get the photo i have to post i will have to try later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaPala Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 hmmm, those lead could be radioactive Check weathher in glows in the dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockhopper Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 i was tired of paying those high prices for mojo weights Then why use Mojo style weights ? There are many cheaper weights on the market, and many molds avalible for other styles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake2375 Posted March 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 the reason i perfer mojo style wieghts is because it is less likely to get snaged, and also i have better feel on the bottom. one more thing it comes grass with ease. i know that other styles are on the market for instant the ones that bass pro shop has. but the thrill you get when you make something to help your fishing and you end up having success on it then a proud feeling developes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockhopper Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 the reason i perfer mojo style wieghts is because it is less likely to get snaged, and also i have better feel on the bottom. My point, it took someone,, just one person, to take the time, and the "brains" to come up with that weight, then they invested ten's of thousands of dollars, and years of their time, to get that weight accepted by wholesalers, and retailers, and finnaly consumers, they invested their life into it, just to bring out a different, and "better" weight, instead of just mass producing the same "OLD" designs that had been out there for years. one more thing it comes grass with ease. i know that other styles are on the market for instant the ones that bass pro shop has. Mojo finnaly made it into the Bass Pro SHops stores and catolog, and they were selling like hot cakes,, selling so well Bass Pro, says heck we can have these made overseas with cheap labor,, not pay back the investemnt Mojo has had to and sell them cheaper,, next thing you know the Orders stop coming from Bass Pro,, no one called them, and told them, they just stopped, and the people at Bass Pro would not return the phone calls. Bass pro had knocked off another product. but the thrill you get when you make something to help your fishing and you end up having success on it then a proud feeling developes. Personally I don't get that thrill feeling, I just "copied" something, nothing proud about that, heck any forger can copy anything, I feel "proud" when I'm guy that came up with something first, when that bit of gienus springs from me, then I made the first one, then I invested my time and money to get that product licensed to a company, and help that company get it into the hands of the fisherman , while I pay my rent with the procceeds. Mojo's prices are coming down this year, I and other's convienced Larry he must do that, so more people will use his weights. Don't let me hear your making your own Mojo Rock Hoppers, or Rig Savers and then bragging about it, maybe offering others the way to do it, it would do more than tick me off :-) I convinced Larry to pay for the patents of these weights,, and they will issue shortly, with my name on the patent as the inventor. You want thrill, you want to be proud, take a year or two, and with trial and error, and come up with a better design, than even me. I'll personaly make sure you get it licensed to a manufactuer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 And here endth the lesson. When you're right, you're right Rodney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siebler_custom_baits Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Rodney are the stand-out hooks that you invented those dropshot hooks? Thesre has been discussion latly on local kayak boards about the actual effectivness of these hooks and if they are actually any good as compared to a normal dropshot hook tied on the line back through to make it stand right. Does this hook effect the action at all? I would thing the hook would creat a different action. Basically i just am wondering if i can get some info on them because they are kinda cool and id like to know the inspiration behind the disign. About the mogo-mold, One easier to have copied the stye weight is to use the InlineSpinner body/wieght mold from Do-it BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Not trying to speak out for Rdney but I have bought some of the "standout" hooks...WOW!!! I think I have had almost 100% hook-up!! I don't down shot that much and thought I need every advantage I could get. These hooks are the BOMB!!! Way easier to rig also!!! IMHO Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockhopper Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Rodney are the stand-out hooks that you invented those dropshot hooks? I don't know' date=' are they [url']http://ezknot.com/SUHooks.html[/url] Thesre has been discussion latly on local kayak boards about the actual effectivness of these hooks and if they are actually any good as compared to a normal dropshot hook tied on the line back through to make it stand right. 10 times better, for at least ten reasons http://ezknot.com/SUHooks.html Does this hook effect the action at all? Yes, better in all reports from every pro, and nearly everyone else that has tried them, at least as good from all who have given any reports I would thing the hook would creat a different action. Basically i just am wondering if i can get some info on them because they are kinda cool and id like to know the inspiration behind the disign. I was talking to someone on the phone, that was cusing under his breath,, I knew he was doing something that was upsetting him so I asked what that something was,, he said he was going fishing the next day and was pre tying some drop shot rigs, This guy has been drop shotting since the begaining of it, yet he was having trouble getting them "Just Right", he then said I wish someone would invent a hook that stood straight out from the line reguardless, so I emailed him the drawings 30 min later, and he freaked, the rest is history :-) By the way I have 100% hook ups using this hook,, it is also the best live and natural bait hook I have ever used,, I have caught 1,382 fish (documented, as in I keep records) with it, all were lip hooked. You guys should see the bigger ones coming soon, allowing drop shotting of huge soft plastics, yet you can still use lightt line, personally now I use the biggest they make, unlike the current hooks used for drop shotting, line and knot size now has nothing to do with the size hook you can stand out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Seems to me a lot of new products aren't really that new but just someone decided to make a buck off of them and had the smarts to go the legal route. No problem with that, thats the American way. Yes most are a little different, use slightly different design or material but overall you have the same product. Look at the Lindy No Snagg, I forget the name but the rubber coated lead ball, the old repelling cord/rope with shot stuffed in it etc... Basically we have a free sliding weight system infront of a stop mechanism that has changed the fulcrum point of the system and hopefully has characteristics that doesn't snag as easily, either do to shape, friction, etc... I am almost certain I saw a guy 15 years ago (KY and Barkley lake) regions using a set up similar to the rockhopper, except he had drilled a hole in the top and used a snap swivel, similar to the repelling line photo. Growing up we used drop shotting a lot for crappie and white bass. We used florist tape and fine gauged wire to "position" the hook properly. A few wraps along the shank and then twisted down the line it worked fine. Then they were always selling for crappie, light wire rigs that essentially presented the minnow in a dropshot fashion , your line threaded down a the spiral shaft of the twisted wire and tied onto a weight. As they had twisted the shaft they created short arms horizontal to light wire hooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siebler_custom_baits Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Sweet Rodney those are them, ill have to buy some your reasons look awsome. It would be nice to see some Big EWG ones in heavy wire. We in Socal are dropshotting the bays with reg bass stuff but now are dshotting ocean with as much as 8 oz of weight and fishing big flukes and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockhopper Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 [q uote="Travis]Seems to me a lot of new products aren't really that new but just someone decided to make a buck off of them and had the smarts to go the legal route. No problem with that, thats the American way. Yes most are a little different, use slightly different design or material but overall you have the same product. Look at the Lindy No Snagg, I forget the name but the rubber coated lead ball, the old repelling cord/rope with shot stuffed in it etc... Basically we have a free sliding weight system infront of a stop mechanism that has changed the fulcrum point of the system and hopefully has characteristics that doesn't snag as easily, either do to shape, friction, etc... I am almost certain I saw a guy 15 years ago (KY and Barkley lake) regions using a set up similar to the rockhopper, except he had drilled a hole in the top and used a snap swivel, similar to the repelling line photo. SImilar is not the same, the Rock Hopper was tested against all the designs you have shown,, NOTHING even came close to it's performance in actual fishing condistions, (the Rig saver is much closer to you examples, except when it does finnaly hang, you only loose your lead) price, or physical size to weight. This thing has an ability none of the others have, it pivots back and forth (when bounching the rod tip) when snagged in a crack, this lets it crawl backwards, up and out of the crack, you can actualy fish rif raff rocks all day Texas and Carolina rigged, on the same weight, it's been done many times, we have west coast pros that fish the same weight every day for weeks before finnaly loosing them, in the rockiest lakes there are, I fished one weight on a waleye fishing trip at Smooth Rock Lake, for 7 days, everyone else on the trip lost a minimum of 5 weights and hooks a day, as we were back troling bouncing the bottom. Looks and performace are two different things, that's why we have utility patents and then design patents Growing up we used drop shotting a lot for crappie and white bass. We used florist tape and fine gauged wire to "position" the hook properly. A few wraps along the shank and then twisted down the line it worked fine. Then they were always selling for crappie, light wire rigs that essentially presented the minnow in a dropshot fashion , your line threaded down a the spiral shaft of the twisted wire and tied onto a weight. As they had twisted the shaft they created short arms horizontal to light wire hooks. I'm familure with all these, they are NOTHING in performace like the Stand Out hook. SHoot me down all you want, but let thsoe who try my stuff tell you it's not B.S., don't just look at it and say it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockhopper Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Sweet Rodney those are them, ill have to buy some your reasons look awsome. It would be nice to see some Big EWG ones in heavy wire. We in Socal are dropshotting the bays with reg bass stuff but now are dshotting ocean with as much as 8 oz of weight and fishing big flukes and such. WE had tested the Stand Out over two years ago in deep sea fishing, it had 100% hook ups (they did not loose a single cut bait without catching the fish) " all " fish were top lip hooked, Tooling up for 3/0 thru 10/0 is going to be costly though. The 8 Oz weights automaticly set the hook due to the lever leg on the hook, as the fish came down on the bait, the weight drove the hook point through. Drop shotting action on a dead squid, drew a strike instantly, while fishing for snapper and grouper PS, we were drop shotting deep sea, with the wiggle rig 3 and 1/2 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Not trying to say your products are BS or shoot them down, will avoid this hot topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 "Travis" - Seems to me a lot of new products aren't really that new but just someone decided to make a buck off of them and had the smarts to go the legal route. No problem with that, thats the American way. Yes most are a little different, use slightly different design or material but overall you have the same product. SHoot me down all you want, but let thsoe who try my stuff tell you it's not B.S., don't just look at it and say it is. I reread this thread 3 times and I STILL can't see where he shot you down or called your stuff B.S. He was merely giving his opinion of all of the vast amount of "new" tackle available on an almost daily basis. After the umpteenth commercial on Saturday morning fishing shows and fishing magazines all "new" baits and tackle start to look alike. It's interesting to read back through fishing magazines that are 10, 20 or 30 years old and see all of the "new" tackle from back in the day. Alot of similarities to today's tackle. It takes a truly innovative and fresh approach to tackle making and marketing to catch most fishermen's eyes these days. Alot of people have a day job in order to live and eat. Most just love to fish and will buy whatever is new out there. Some of us have a love of creating our own tackle and actually catching fish on them!. By creating I don't necessarily mean inventing. Many of us are satisfied to build our tackle based on existing designs. A few of us will experiment, invent or whatever you choose to call it. The people that participate in this part of tacklemaking are the true innovators. Not the big corps like BPS that will knock off any tackle out there that they think they can make and sell cheaper than the original. I checked out your DS hooks. Interesting design. I'm going to try them out. I do a lot of DSing on the local ponds. I'll see if they make a difference on hook-ups and report back on the board. Travis, no need to avoid this topic! That's the beauty of the internet. So long as we're all civil to each other we're allowed to voice our opinion. This board has always been "kinder and gentler". I was always surprised that everyone got along so well, no dissension among the ranks at all. I like to see a little controversy and debate every now and again! Keeps you young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake2375 Posted March 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 what mojo had to say is right, i did not go out to make a mold to sell my weights, but just make it so that i the access to make them on my on. the style of my weights are simialer but not the same as mojo weights, plus i do not have to travel all the way to tackle stores to buy them, or place a order on-line. i also pour other weights i use as in bullet, and egg sinkers and i got those molds from netcraft. so rockhopper since i got your panties into a wad, let me say i am sorry if this up set you. i was tring to make my fishing easier on myself. i also am impressed with your style of hooks. tight lines and good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockhopper Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 what mojo had to say is right' date=' i did not go out to make a mold to sell my weights, but just make it so that i the access to make them on my on. the style of my weights are simialer but not the same as mojo weights, plus i do not have to travel all the way to tackle stores to buy them, or place a order on-line. i also pour other weights i use as in bullet, and egg sinkers and i got those molds from netcraft. so rockhopper since i got your panties into a wad, let me say i am sorry if this up set you. [/quote'] Sorry if you thought I was upset, I wasn't, the original Mojo weight was never patented, now all his new wieghts, either are, or the patant is pending. You can knock off the original design, Bass Pro did, Projo did. You were talking about being thrilled about doing so,, the thrill comes from not making another's mold, but making a mold of your original weight i was tring to make my fishing easier on myself. i also am impressed with your style of hooks. tight lines and good luck Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasbass1 Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Rodney, I have fished your standout hooks and they make dropshotting a breeze. And you are right about the hook ups, the fish hook themselves. I don't dropshot a lot but when I do I only use your hooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockhopper Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Rodney' date='I have fished your standout hooks and they make dropshotting a breeze. And you are right about the hook ups, the fish hook themselves. I don't dropshot a lot but when I do I only use your hooks.[/quote'] Thanks, but you know I can't leave well enough alone, I'm wotking to close another licensing deal,, on another device so you can use any hook. I sent them a contract yeasterday,, I hope they wil agree to my terms. This actualy lets the hook freely rotate up nd down but not side to side, more action, more bites, still 100% hook ups. The salt water aplications are huge. You just snap on any hook you desire,, I even have a shoter version than these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
