lure_learning Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 I recently purchased a large amount of Lurecraft color and am very concerned: Fluoro Red Fluoro Blue Fluoro Yellow Bright Red Lemon Yellow Blue White Jet Black Minnow Silver and some others After spending a lot of time creating recipes and filling orders with these, come to find out at least the Bright Red has issues . I left a few black grape baits out on my counter in the basement and the next day basically all the red disappeared : . They are now an ugly shade of blue-green. I then checked my stock of packaged and Tupperware filled baits and sure enough, many have completely changed colors . I am very disappointed and will most likely lose customers due to this . Has anyone encountered this? Is Del's red better? Anybody know if other lurecraft colorant has similar results? thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senkosam Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Del's colors are better quality and at a better price. His motor oil is like Quaker State, not like LC mud. There aren't too many things I would buy from LC, especially plastic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Have you contacted LureCraft about this problem? What did they say? jm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camrynekai Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Some colors are Dyes and most are pigments. There are pros and cons to both. You can ask your supplier if they are pigments (non-bleed) or dyes they will gladly answer you. A rule of thumb....if its a clear color its most likely a dye and will bleed and if its opaque (normally a pigment) it shouldn't bleed. Each supplier colorant is different and they each have their place in this hand pouring gig....there is no one stop shopping place unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lure_learning Posted June 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 I did contact LC and spoke with Dave. He seemed stumped for the most part and told me it may be a reaction between chemicals in the colors or that I hadn't mixed the color enough which is very hard to believe because I mix it for a while with a few nuts in the bottom. Dave also told me to pour a single red batch and see what happens. Which I will try but I'm not sure that will answer my question. I remember someone else posting a similar problem but I can't seem to find it. Maybe its me, but this search engine gives quite a few results and most are irrelevant. Thanks for your time guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haebar Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 What about Jann's Netcraft colors? Anybody use them? How did you like them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsac Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 lure_learning I remember someone else posting a similar problem but I can't seem to find it. Maybe its me, but this search engine gives quite a few results and most are irrelevant. Here is the thread you are looking for. The TU search feature works fine. But you have to use words that are very specific to your topic. I told the search to look for all terms. I searched for the words red+problem. I also told it to only search the soft plastic forum. http://www.tackleunderground.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=3745&highlight=red+problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 Fluoro Red Fluoro Blue Fluoro Yellow if you mixed these colors with the others they will bleed like your seeing. floro colors bleed bad. it has nothing to do with lurecraft. its just teh nature of floro colors. If its the red(not floro red) that is bleeding then you might have some other ingrediants that are causeing problems. which could be scents oils etc. give us a complete list of the items and brands you used and some of us might be able to find the problem. Ive used all the stuff avail over time and never had the problems you are talking about excet with some of the floro's. most if not all colors, oils, softeners,hardeners, and plastics work well together. Delw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 I have used LC's colorant for 12 years and have not had a problem with it. Mixing well before you use any colorant is always a must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lure_learning Posted June 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 delw, I don't use any scent. My mixture was: 1 cup calhoun plastic 1/2 cup salt 1/4 cup calhoun softener some LC jet black some LC bright red and a little LC blue next I will try pouring just bright red and see what happens. I also will try Del's red and see if that does the trick. I appreciate your help everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I poured some red bellies with lurecraft red color. I mixed Lurecraft red with Calhoun plastic, no other additives, just a small amount (4 oz) and poured it. I had to get it hot enough to pour into a tight mold, but didn't get close to scorching the plastic. I noticed a slight fading as I poured, but the color faded out to a light puke orange after a couple of days in the bag. This color was purchased last summer. 1x309 bright red. Other lures I poured last year have also faded. They were ordinary little tail worms that looked good when I poured them. I might be a reaction with the plastic. Whatever, this red bottle is going into the trash can posthaste. jm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I don't think I would throw it away...Either Dave from Lurecraft may want it back to see what is up OR you have some nice "orange" for some baits... If red isn't working that day, wait a couple days and you will have a completely different color! !!! Just messing as I know it is VERY frustrating, especially if you have a customer telling you this!!!! Jim PS...I know Joel from BigPig lures had this exact same problem. I don't think he ever figured it out. Probably just ordered red from another manufacturer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 How 'bout a new color that changes at the slightest whim to whatever it feels like. We'll call it "grab bag". :-D Thanks for messing with me. It makes me feel like family. jm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 I've switched to Strawberry Red, but I haven't had a chance to try it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 I looked at the red bottle again last night. It is labeled 1x309 Red (not bright red) I mixed it up well, and ran a test run 4 ways at 2 drops/oz. Lurecraft 536 plastic, stored dry Lurecraft 536 plastic, Calhoun worm oil. Calhoun soft plastic, Calhoun worm oil Calhoun soft plastic, Berkley Powerbait (bass) for oil. They are stored and watched. I remember a slight visible change in color during the run I had trouble with. The mold I was trying to fill is the zipper I made. The teeth are a little on the small side, and hard to fill if the mold is cold. I wonder if a slight scorch starts a process that continues after the lure is poured and fades the color out completely. I think I'll duplicate last night's experiment except purposely slightly scorching the plastic. What is the function of heat stabilizer? Would it allow the plastic to be heated to a thin syrup without these troubles? jm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 OK jm....you have just invented a new lure...the mood lure!!! Like the old mood rings that change color but these will change with the water temperature!!!! I use LC's strawberry red all the time with no problem but I also use M-Fs red and do notice that when I initially use it it is red but after a nuke or 2, it is starting to have a tint of orange in it. The M-F red doesn't change after a couple months for sure as I have some baits poured with it still in my box... Better get a patent on that mood lure...you never know !!! Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lure_learning Posted July 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 I did another test this time I used Del's red and...again I am getting fading. It did take maybe a day longer to change color but it did. This time I made a strawberry color by using Calhouns plastic, softener, salt and a little lurecraft black and a whole bunch of Del's red. My next test will be str8 red but I don't have much faith. Do you guys find you need stabilizer when using red? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 I never use stabilizer and have never had this problem of fading. I regularly use LC Strawberry red and M-F red.... If you seal the plastic well in a tupperware container or like 2 or 3 bags, does it still change??? I think something is reacting with either the oxygen (or something else) in the room air causing the change.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lure_learning Posted July 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 GaBassNerd, I haven't tried sealing them in more than a laminated bag yet. Its definately something to do with exposure to air. The ones that are sealed in bags seem fine. I also have a pyrex cup with about 1/4 cup left sitting out, the bottom half is red and the top is orangish . Have you mixed those reds with other colors successfully? When I talked to Dave at LC he said he uses strawberry instead of bright red. I wish I knew that before I bought a ton of the bright red . This is a very annoying problem. I am planning to sell these baits but I am unable to until I get this solved for good. I don't want to sell subpar products. Anyone have some suggestions? thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 I looked back at your recipe. It seems to be about half salt by weight. Salt will do 2 things, 1. Interfere with the structure of the plastic, opening voids. 2. Attract moisture from the air. There could be one more factor involved, like perhaps ozone from a nearby air purifier, or an electronic air cleaner in the furnace. Maybe something else in the air. I think when I ran into the fading problem, I remember a slight scorching or fading as I heated it, probably too hot. jm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Boy's Woman Posted July 21, 2005 Report Share Posted July 21, 2005 Please contact me and let me know what was found out about the red. As new owners of LureCraft we do not want unhappy customers!!! Thanks!!! Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Welcome Kim, As I think back on my experience with Lurecraft red, If I overheated it to get it to pour, there seemed to be a charring in the bottom of the pan. After that it faded either immediately or over time to a light pukey orange. It was heated in a Lurecraft pouring pan over a hot plate. The 4 sample runs I ran with different post treatments (earlier in this thread) seem to be stable. The red is not as vivid as I'd like, but it's adequate. The dye I used is about a year old. hope it helps. jm PS expect an order as soon as I get it by the CFO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasbass1 Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 If you are scorching the plastic it will change color. Either turn down the heat or add heat stabilizer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Boy's Woman Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Thank you JM! If you have any of the coloring left and would like to send me a sample I would be more than happy to have my husband analyze it and compare it to what we currently have. I look forward to receiving your order and if there is anything we can assist you with feel free to contact us at any time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lure_learning Posted July 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Poor Boy's Woman, I will contact you soon regarding this issue. I purchased a large quantity of colorant from Lurecraft and at this point I'm using other colorant due to the fading bright red. I haven't run as many tests as I would like yet, but I know the bright red has given me problems on multiple occassions. I appreciate your concern and look forward to solving this. I stand by the products I create and I'm happy to hear that you will too. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
