gat0r Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Because I'm "cooking/curing" jigs with weedguards I need to use low heat. I'm cooking around 200-225 with Teflon guards and had good results last night. But I've not verified if it really "baked" the paint on. Does anyone have a low heat cooking times sheet for Pro Tech Powder Paints on leadheads? Just curious if such an animal existed. I apologize if this has been asked before. Still playing and learning as I go. Thanks for your help. Merry Christmas! gat0r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gat0r Posted December 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Well I found this on CSI's website APPLYING POWDER PAINTSStir settled powder to make it fluffy and light. Some have found that working out of a small round bowl allows for easier application. To apply PRO-TEC POWDER PAINT to jigs, hold the jig by the hook with your fingers. Preheat jigs by rotating through the flame of a torch or your gas range using a small flame. Hook will stay cool. Rotate jig in the blue part of flame for 2 seconds for 1/16 oz. jigs, 4 seconds for 1/4 oz. jigs, and so on. You may also preheat jigs in a 325 degree F oven for 15 minutes or use a cigarette lighter. Once hot, quickly swish the jig through light powder with a side to side motion to cover the entire surface. Do not dip or push jigs into power. Remove IMMEDIATELY. The surface will then melt and gloss over. If the jig smokes, reduce the preheat time slightly. If the jig appears powdery and dry, increase the preheat time. Continue to keep the powder loose and fluffy between painting. Your jigs are now ready for use. However, curing the lure will produce an extremely durable, chip resistant finish. Jigs may be "cured' by hanging them in an oven at 350 degrees F for 15 minutes. Allow a few minutes for your jigs to get up to temperature. Lures with weed guards should be cured at 250 degrees F for 25 minutes. Always open the eye of the hook with a sharp object before curing. Will longer mean stronger paint jobs? Any variances with color (ie black -vs- white)? Anyone perfected the curing times for colors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigmaster Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 gator glad you got some good results with the teflon. Longer does not always mean better cure. You have to hit a certain temperature range for the chemical reaction to take place in the paint to harden. that is the main drawback to molding your guards, rather than gluing in after the fact. Unfortunately for me, I process literally thousands of heads in this way.......I do not have time to glue. That being said......cure your black at the highest temp you can.....approx 225-240 for approx 20 minutes.......this will do the trick for black. Each color has a different threshold.....generally the darker the color, the longer the cure time.....if you are seeing weedguard deformity.....move the heads away from direct heat source (coils in oven) and PREHEAT the oven. Also, wrap in foil prior to covering with teflon.....I explained that in a post last week, I think. It works. CSI has a complete listing of all their recommended cure times/temps......look on their site for it...otherwise I can get you the info. The other thing you need to consider is the thickness of the paint......the thicker the coat, the longer/hotter it takes to cure. I purchased a fluid bed awhile back......thing works like a champ....lays down a nice even THIN layer of paint......which cures more evenly. Hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gat0r Posted December 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 yeah was thinking about a fluid bed to ease the pain of inconsistencies in my jig painting process. I want a nice easy workflow if you know what I mean. So I can process a lot without much thought. I was careful to keep these jigs away from the heat source, I might try the foil method as well. And possibly look into fluid beds more seriously. Where did you pick up your fluid bed. Is any one brand better than another that you know of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigmaster Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Mine was a homemade one.....do a search on ebay for fluid beds.....there is a guy on there that makes them....turns out, he lives about 1/2 mile from me..........small world, eh? anyway........i picked it up pretty cheap.......50 bucks, I think. He uses an aquarium aerator pump for the airflow...airflow is adjustable, etc................it is a slick little deal, and worth the money. only drawback is you have to buy the paint in 1 or 2 lb jars.......the little 2 oz jars arent enough to fill the cup on the bed. I usually buy 2 lb jars from CSI.....you will need a tax ID to buy direct. if you do not have an ID, I know a guy who will sell to you by the pound. let me know on that. i just finished an order for 200 flateye arky heads.....100 each brown and black (1/2 oz heads) that fluid bed comes in handy I have three different cups for it.......each filled with a different color.......simply change the cup, not the paint color....much quicker........ hope all of this helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayooper Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 If anybody is interested in a fluid bed, I am the one jigmaster was talking about that makes them. You can check them out at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7205982361&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Depending on how many jigs you are painting you should not need a pound or two of paint. The powder cups on the fluid bed are 3 inches deep and 4 oz of paint will fill the cup. We also carry pretty much every color of paint that Pro-Tec makes, including the new super glow paint, on our website: www.tjstackle.com We have it in 1oz, 2oz, 4oz, and 1lb quantities. If anybody has questions on using a fluid bed, I would be glad to answer them. Here are the curing times from Pro-Tec for the different colors without weedgaurds: RECOMMENDED CURE TIMES & TEMPS FOR PRO-TEC POWDER PAINT White - 10 minutes at 375 F Yellow Chartreuse - 10 minutes at 392 F Green Chartreuse - 10 minutes at 392 F Blaze Orange - 10 minutes at 392 F Black - 10 minutes at 350 F Hot Pink - 10 minutes at 392 F Flame Red - 10 minutes at 392 F White Pearl - 13 minutes at 325 F Clear - 12 minutes at 340 F Bright Green - 10 minutes at 392 F Yellow - 10 minutes at 400 F Red - 15 minutes at 350 F Purple - 15 minutes at 385 F Glow Overcoat - 10 minutes at 375 F Brown - 12 minutes at 390 F Blue - 15 minutes at 375 F Silver - 10 minutes at 375 Gold - 20 minutes at 375 All Glow Colors - 10 minutes at 375 F All Transparent Colors - 10 minutes at 392 F Watermelon - 12 minutes at 390 F Pumpkin Brown - 12 minutes at 390 F Hope this helps. Thanks! Benjamin www.tjstackle.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigmaster Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Thanks for the clarification on the paint quantity! I stand corrected! that is good info, too.........! The fluid bed is a good idea....these guys make a quality product, at a reasonable price. I have purchased paint from them, too.......for colors I do not use alot of......they have a great selection of different colors! Regards JM www.daimonlures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gat0r Posted December 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Man great information guys. Thanks for all your help. Got a few days without the wife and kid to play around with some painting. I see a fluid bed in my very near future! Thanks again fellas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassn1 Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Will that fluid bed work with glitter colors or is the glitter too heavy to "float" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayooper Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 The fluid bed will work with glitters, however you will need to stir the paint in the powder cup often. The glitter is a little heavier than the powder paint and after a bit it will settle to the bottom. If you keep it stirred, you should have no problems. Let me know if there are any other questions you have on the use of a fluid bed. Thanks! Benjamin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayooper Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 The fluid bed will work with glitters, however you will need to stir the paint in the powder cup often. The glitter is a little heavier than the powder paint and after a bit it will settle to the bottom. If you keep it stirred, you should have no problems. Let me know if there are any other questions you have on the use of a fluid bed. Thanks! Benjamin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reeves Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 I use two fluidbeds, one for straight color and the other with clear with glitter mixed in. On the bed with the clear I will not use the vibrator on the unit as it seems to settle the glitter, while with the air set just enough to float the powder, will cause the glitter to rise. Be careful not to add too much glitter or you will get your money's worth when you dip your lure. Dayooper, do you also make and sell the cups, if so how much? I must have 20 with all different colors and clears with various glitters, and could always use more. Hope this info is helpful as I have definitely learned the hard way myself. George Reeves H&P Tackle Welch, OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayooper Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Yes, I do sell the powder cups as well. They are for the 3" fluid beds that I make and I also believe they will work in the fluid beds Pro-Tec makes. They are $6.00 each, complete with lid. I am leaving out of town tomorrow and will be back on the 28th. Heading to the great white north for Christmas. If you are interested in any cups, let me know and I can get them to you when I get back. Let me know if I can help with anything else. Thanks, Benjamin Wonder why it double posted : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
