lure_learning Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 I am having problems with my baits turning dull and sticking together after a few days bagged up. These are mainly sticks but have also had the same issues with non-salted baits as well. Calhouns plastic always produced nice glossy baits for me and I never had an issue with baits sticking together. Has anyone had these issues? I have tried to bag them at different periods after pouring: waiting 4 hours, 8 hours, 24 hours, but all have the same result. They look great after they are poured but that doesn't last long. I have also tried to apply some worm oil before bagging and the only thing that seems to do is delay the problem by maybe a week or so. Either I recieved a bad 5 gal of plastic or softener or someone else must be incountering the same. Please help, I am at wits end thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbasser Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 I have had the same problems as you Lure. Once I got worm oil on it it didn't look so bad but maybe Jim from Ghost baits can comment as I believe he uses that plastic exclusively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lure_learning Posted February 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 thanks BB Anyone else encountering this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish_N_Fool Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 It would seam to me an easy answer! Just switch back to calhouns. In my and most people's here minds it's the best and cheapest plastic out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.J. Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 I use M-F and I have not had this problem. I'm not sure what would cause that. I roll my baits very lightly in floured salt as I bag them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 I have used M-F plastisol after switching from Calhoun's for over a year now. I have never had that problem but it sounds to me like your plastisol was not mixed wel enough. I would CALL Robert at M-F right away and talk with him about your problem. They will be able to answer you and also, they will make it right for you!!! I buy my plastisol in 5 gallon containers and always mix my plastic about an hour before pouring by just shaking the container left to right several times. I then mix it gently prior to retreiving any plastic out of the container. M-F does not settle like Calhoun's or M-F but not mixing it will allow the resins to sink to the lower portion of the container and give you a super soft, sticky bait. I never use worm oil on my baits just a little salt to keep them from sticking together. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lure_learning Posted February 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 thanks Jim I don't think that is the problem though because I really shake the heck out of the 5 gal before separating into 1 gallon containers. I also shake the heck out of the 1 gals. before heating. How and when do you apply the salt? I will call Robert again on this issue and hopefully we could figure something out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 I apply salt to my baits after they have "cured" for 24 hours. Of course, I am adding salt directly to my plastic when I am making sticks.... Maybe you just got a bad batch of plastic...It happens.... Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigman Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Hey Jim have you had any problems with air bubbles since switching to M-F.I'm using Calhoun's now and can't get rid of the bubbles.I know you had a lot of post's on this topic a while back.I only bought a gallon to try out a couple of months ago.I thought the problem was supposed to be fixed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 I can only comment on my experience with M-F currently. NO BUBBLES IN OVER 1 YEAR...NOT EVEN A SINGLE BUBBLE...EVER!!! Not sure if the other problem was resolved but I am sure Del can help you out if you are having issues. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8POACHERS2 Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 NICE REPLY GHOST. I THINK YA HANDELED YOURSELF VERY WELL WHEN WE ALL KNOW WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THE OTHER GUYS PLASTIC. HAHAHA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 I'm not trying to bash any particular product or even suggest one may be better than the other. I can only give you my experience with M-F as I currently use it. Many others have experience with the other plastisols out there and can give you current info on the products they are using. Having the ability to exchange ideas and learn from others is what this forum is all about....we can't let anything get in the way of that ... Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmik26 Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Amen to that brother...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsworms Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 A little off topic here....... This has been eating me, but now I remember why I quit using MF. First off, like lots of guys, I use the microwave to cup transfer method. I used to have a really bad problem with the plastic sticking to those tin cups after I'm done pouring. I'd spend like 5 minutes just getting the cooled plastic out of the cup. Do any of you guys have this problem? Any ways to resolve this? I think it's MF for me if I can solve this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbasser Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Chris, I've never poured MF with tin cups but I think its great. It dosn't stink and also is thinner at a cooler temp causing me to reheat a lot less when making a large batch of sticks. The memory is a lot less than Calhouns or lurecraft as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsworms Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Chris, I've never poured MF with tin cups but I think its great. It dosn't stink and also is thinner at a cooler temp causing me to reheat a lot less when making a large batch of sticks. The memory is a lot less than Calhouns or lurecraft as well. Thanks for the response. Do you use MF with production pots then? I'm trying to figure out a way to make my method work with MF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.J. Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Chris, I use the pyrex to tin cup method with M-F. I do not have a problem at all with the plastic sticking to the cups. It pulls out in one neat piece. I also use production pots with great results. When I used to use Calhoun's, it seemed like it took me forever to get the plastic out of my production pots. It works a lot better for me with M-F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmik26 Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 alsworm With MF and Lurecraft I can pull the plastic out of the cup or pan that is paper thin, like .010"! Everytime I do I am still amazed on how great there products are! Only time It will break apart is when I add lots of salt for chunk trailer, then it will break but still come out with no problems. Are your pans scratched? Does it pull out of the pryrex dish easier than the pan? If so, that could be your problem..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAE73 Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 I have used both lurecraft and now calhouns both are easy to remove from the pyrex and pans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maximusgunn Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 I pour out of lee pots and was having problems with getting the plastic out it took forever, so after I cleaned it and took the wire brush to it and got it looking new I took some lure craft tournament scent put some drops down the side walls and pour spout took a paper towel wiped the pot and pour spout down and now I have no problems. Usually burnish the pot after 3 seperate pours. Then repeat. Try that and see if it helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsworms Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Thanks for the help fellas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmang Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Chris-- I have a very low tech way to clean the pans. I use a plain paper towel to "clean" the residue out of the pots. It maybe takes 30 seconds max to get it back to a clean state. I just ball up a fresh paper towel and sort of scrub the sides down-- lickety split I am back in business. I do get plastic "crumbs" on my shirt when doing it that way but it is fast and efficient. I am on my third 5 gallon pail of MF and ready to order another one as I really like it and no bubbles. Calhouns is a good product but the MF is the best in my opinion. See ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
