saint308 Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 I am interested in getting some sugar flakes. From what I understand it makes the bait sink, but does not distort the color. Is this correct? What exactly is it and how does it affect the pour? How much do you need to equal the same as 50% salt in weight? How much does it cost and where do I get it? Can you grind regular suger and get the same effect like salt?Thanks. Saint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dutchman Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 I use it and I believe it is clear glitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint308 Posted March 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 So it is not actually sugar? Does it add weight? I don't see glitter adding a whole lot of weight, please correct me if I am wrong. I am not doubting you, just trying to understand. I am still considered a newbie to this pouring stuff. Where did you get it, and how much does it cost? Thanks. Saint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wannabefishing Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 it addes weight at about the same amount taht salt does i find, it also makes the bait harder... and makes it a bit cloudy... it's really good when you want to see through a bait (maybe not through, but into i guess would be a better term)... it does very well for what it's intentions are and has a time and a place... senko sam sells it, don't have his link handy right now, someone else will tho... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borderbasser Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 What kind of clarity will the sugar flakes produce in the finished product as compared to regular table salt in it's original granular form? Do you have to add as much coloring to the baits as you do with salt? How do the flakes suspend when compared to popcorn salt? Thanks. TJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint308 Posted March 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 I am looking for something to add weight to June Bug and Red, but not make it cloudy. I am trying to make something like Zoom's June Bug. I can match Zoom's June Bug perfectly without the salt, but I need the weight and do not know how to get it. If anyone can help, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. Saint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Just before the plastic cools drop in some #7 1/2 lead shot, just a few bbs will do it. we do it in the dark colored stick baits alot, even light colored ones work fairly well as long as you add glitter you wont really notice them. Its a timing process on the cooling of the plastic once you get it down it works pretty good in the stik molds, for open face molds its extreamly easy. Delw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camrynekai Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Just before the plastic cools drop in some #7 1/2 lead shot' date=' just a few bbs will do it.we do it in the dark colored stick baits alot, even light colored ones work fairly well as long as you add glitter you wont really notice them. Its a timing process on the cooling of the plastic once you get it down it works pretty good in the stik molds, for open face molds its extreamly easy. Delw[/quote'] Your kidding me right??? I would not recommend adding lead to a bait that can be ingested by a fish. People eat the same fish the we sport fish (and loose on occasion) and it is a fact that consuming lead is a big health issue. Why would anyone want to eat a fish that is contaminated with lead.....I know that I wouldn't want to. I would also hope that you check your local D.E.C. to make sure that you are not breaking any rules that apply to the use of lead and angling. In N.Y. we have laws that are in place for the near future banning possession of small lead shot and N.Y. is not as strict as some other states. For the benefit of others, Don't put lead in your baits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Lead is banned in many places and you would also have to have the California Lead Warning Label on those sticks!!! Don't add lead just for the sake of getting a color closer. Lead is way to dangerous!!! Have you heard about the kids dying from lead poisoning in toys from TOYS'R US recently???!!! I will bet that the fish will bite on the junebug color with salt and sugar flakes. Just because Zoom or somebody comes out with a color doesn't mean you have to match it perfectly anyway. Maybe "your" junebug will be a better fish catching color than theirs...!!!! Stay away from lead though, that is not a good idea at all!!!! Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint308 Posted March 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 I was never going to use lead. Although I appreciate the advice, I did not like that idea from the start. Jim, can you please explain to me the following: What exactly are suger flakes How is it used How much does it chance the translucent nature of the bait How much do you use to match salt weight Do you use just sugar or do you have to mix with salt Where can I get it How much does it cost I have gotten a lot of comments on this, but none have really expained it to me. Thanks. Saint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Let me run through the "sugar flakes" deal again for you!!! Sugar flakes are just a name that Senkosam (Frank) came up with and they are just clear glitter. They do smell a little like sugar.. You just add them like you add you glitter into your plastic. no difference. You can add it instaed of salt or with salt. I have exchanged them 1 for 1 before but you have to add a little more softener. I use mine with the salt as it seems to help my flake and salt saty in suspension better. I am not sure about the translucent change in the bait but I am sure Frank can chime in here. I only make sticks with these flakes and have never made a batch without to compare. Senkosam is the place to get the flakes and he can tell you the pricing.. The flakes help make you sticks softer but still more than a 1 fish bait. My customers have thrown their "senkos" down and put my sticks on in place. You can fing Senkosam here on the board....Or his email is postcard@frontiernet.net Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint308 Posted March 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Thanks again!!!! Saint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassnfool Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Don't forget that you can also get clear glitter, "sugar flakes" at www.ozarktackle.com also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Bass Baits Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Saint, I was intersted in this as well as you know, I am still testing but this is what I know so far, I need to add 4 TBS of canning salt to 4 oz of plastic to get the same drop speed of a yamy, Today I weighed this and 4 TBS of canning salt weights 52 grams, The sugar from senko sam is half that weight so it would take 8 TBS of sugar to get the same weight, I have a water softner so I ground up some salt and found that I only need 3 TBS of rock salt to be the same weight, it also has improved the transpariency ALOT. The first round the rock salt was not ground up enough and needed stiring all the time as it wanted to sink in my cup, then I ground it more and it worked awsome, I am going to try again and try to get in between the two grinds and I know it will even be better yet for the transpariency, but even now it is very close to haveing the same trans, of the yamy. Does anyone know the weight of popcorn salt ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I'm not sure about all the weights etc as I never have fished a yammy senko but I can give you my recipe for my sticks that I use: Stick formula 4oz plastic, 1 ? oz softener, 2 tbs + 1 tsp salt, 4 tsp of ?flakes? This makes a real soft stick that is still pretty durable. Might give you something to work from. I have had numerous reports of my sticks outfishing "senkos" 15:1 from boater non-boater teams in tourneys. One of my best customers went from 245th in the Northern Bassmaster Series to fishing the Bassmaster Open (top 6 in his REGION) on East Toho this year fishing just my black/red g-sticks at all his tourneys... I have tried the sticks without the flakes and my customers said they are just like all the other sticks out there without them.... Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Bass Baits Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Holy cow Jim, That is a lot of softner What plastic are you using, : P.s. Just got back in from trying that dang lee pot again, I ended up drilling the hole out and now it finally works. LC never got back with me about that thing. I would never give them a good rating. This is not the only thing with them. You would think that with someone that spent over $400 with them in around a week with 3 or 4 orders that they would respond. I asked for a catalog a few times, they miss read my order and I was shorted, then something was not clear on thier website and I got something opp. of what I wanted. Was told a order would go out next day, 3 days later they shipped. Finally got my catalog after the last order. I am hoping I never need anything special from them. Maybe they will see this and wont sell to me then I would not have to worry about it. Sorry for my rambling, As you can tell I am pissed about these things. Customer service is #1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Bass Baits Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 sorry about that above, just was mad and I cannot keep my mouth shut. Just was mad after spending almost 2 hrs. trying to pour 1 cup of plastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 2 hrs for 1 cup would piss me off also!!!! I would be back to my mic and pyrex loooong before all that though !!! I use M-F super soft plastisol and the salt I use is popcorn salt.... Think about the cost of teh flakes also as they add cost to making the sticks. I won't do mine without them but many have great sticks with just salt alone... Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senkosam Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Popcorn salt is way too expensive! Regular salt, ground to a fine powder with a small $10 coffee grinder works great and the powder suspends nicely in sugar flakes. I store my ground salt in Zip Lock bags and it pulverizes easily if small chunks happen. The more concentrated the salt, the more opaque the plastic. Note that all yammie plastics are opaque that contain salt (and a mixture of flakes similar to sugar). Sugar allows more light to pass through, but like salt, the more you use, the more opaque the plastic and especially when used with dark concentrated colors. Jim and I have had the same experiences using clear flake and salt; others may have different experiences. But one thing is for sure - sugar clogs a Lee Production Pot spout far less than medium grain salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millsryno Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Note that all[/b'] yammie plastics are opaque that contain salt (and a mixture of flakes similar to sugar). GYCB are mostly translucent in color. Opaque baits would have no light transmission at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuttyGambler Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Senko Sam: I am getting low on my "sugar" flakes (sounds like breakfast) so need to get another order in to you, but my question is this. Is there any difference between your sugar flakes and say your black glitter? I otherwords can I use just the same quantity of another color and get the same weight result? (I do understand they will be darker) Thanks - Oh yeah do you have 1# pricing on these "sugar" flakes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
