kbkindle Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 kb here last week when i was top coating 4 different lures mixing just enough material to do one at a time same tube one of the 4 lures did not dry was stickey for 2 days and i top coated it again same tube and it dryed this time. i dont know ? kb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamabass Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 my guess is you had improper mixing proportions -bamabass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 I had the same problem once. It was just that I did not mix it well enough. It dried the second time because the mix was good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesehead Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 if you don't have equal amounts of hardner and resin this will happen. unequal amounts can come from not pushing evenly on the plunger or from having an air bubble in one side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bman Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Do you usually thin the epoxy when using it as a top coat? How many coats do you apply? Will it leave a high gloss sheen? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 I don't thin my epoxy. It really only takes one good even coat of Devcon 2 ton to get a nice smooth clear shiny finish that will hold up against teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskiefool Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 The only reason to cut Devcon is if it's used as a wood sealer or if you are covering huge baits, if you cover large 15+ inch baits without cutting it your not gonna be happy, it only takes a small amount of denatured alcohol to make it manageable(no lines ,bubbles or open areas), devcon is the best thing I've found, another thing I noticed with this product I had the wheel stop one time and the baits had some small runs, so I panicked, LOL, got the wifes Blow dryer and held it on the bait(still tacky, if its hard your done) and the runs flowed right out, got them back on the wheel and they dried allot faster than the usual time with no bad results, I don't make anything smaller than 6 inches or bigger than 20 inch, allot of this does not apply to small bass plugs where it's not necessary to cut this product, unless its for wood sealing where it will penetrate up to a 1/16th of a inch with ceder, less on oak or maple. Good Luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spare tire Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 HI, i NEVER KNEW YOU COULD SEAL THE WOOD WITH DEVCON. HOW MUCH DO YO DILUTE IT? IS IT THIN LIKE PAINT? THANKS MUSKIEFOOL FOR INFO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskiefool Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 You want it runny so it soaks into the wood, about the consistency of water(50/50 or so) I mix it in clear cups it's easier to see that the epoxy is fully incorporated, just keep applying it till it wont soak up any more, and remember Denatured Alcohol is extremely flammable, then hang to dry this stuff holds bonding primer great, hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustimus Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 how long do you stir the devcon or do you go by when it clears? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskiefool Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 as soon as it's clear without gobs floating around in the cup, the cure time is about the same irregardless if it's cut or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yake Bait Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 Any chance somebody could post a quick step-by-step description of how to coat with 2 ton devcon? I am relatively new to making baits and have been using a table top pour type which takes a long time to cure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 Here is a tutorial that Larry Shanker from Legendary Lures made up for me. I follwed it except for the thinning and glitter. I figured I'd post this for anyone who is new to Devcon like myself. Epoxy tutorial: Materials list: Devcon 2 ton Epoxy Lure or decoy. Toothpicks Cheap kids paint brushes Isopropol alcohol Micro glitter Aluminum beverage can. Instructions: - Get everything ready before mixing the epoxy. - Get Devcon (brand) 2 ton epoxy. Walmart has it in the paint dept. Looks like a syringe with two tubes. - Crush a pop or beer can. The bottom of the can hold about the right amount for a large lure or small decoy. User alcohol to remove the ink. There's a printed stamp of some kind. - Get some micro glitter. The same folks who make vinyl jig paint have little bottles of glitter. (optional) - Use kids' paint brushes. The cheapest ones you can find. You might need to mash the metal collar so the bristles won't come out. You could also use the craft chenilles. They look like giant pipe cleaners. Cut them in half. Fold the half in half and twist it. Use the folded end as a brush. Pull out any loose fibers. - Pour some isopropal alcohol into the alcohol bottle's cap. (optional for thinning) - Use a pair of needle nose visegrips to hold the lure. It is more comfortable and yuor hand won't go to sleep. - Use a toothpick for a stirrer. - Okay, here we go: Squeeze out the epoxy into the pop can's bottom, about half full. - Stir it up. - Add some alcohol from the cap. Stir it up. It will get milky. (optional for thinning) - Add some glitter and stir it up. It should start to clear up. (optional) - Start gooping the epoxy onto the lure. Get it in the tight places first. Cover the rest of the lure. Rotate as you work and watch out for dripping. You have to work FAST. - Keep rotating the lure. The glitter helps you see the epoxy moving. - Keep an eye out for bubble. These will occur whereever the wood gain is open. Around drilled holes, eye sockets, slots for fins, etc. Repair the bubbles by breaking them and adding more epoxy. - Keep an eye out for bare spots. Goop on more epoxy and let it smooth out and merge with the other epoxy. - Use your stirrer or brush and touch the remaining epoxy in the can's bottom. If it is starting to set up, stop doing any touching to the lure. - Keep rotating the lure slowly. It is in your best interest to make a lure drying wheel for this. After about an hour or so you can hang it, but I reccommend keeping it on a wheel -It takes roughly 12 hours for full curing time. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yake Bait Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 Thanks Jason, I'm going to give that a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish devil Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 Some peole claim tooth picks make air bubbles. I use cut wire hagers for stiringing or I use the plastic cheese spreader that comes with kraft cheese and crackers snack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yake Bait Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 Bubbles seem to be less of an issue as compared to the pour type epoxy that I had been using. I did not have a drying wheel so I canibalized a coat hanger and rigged up to my cordless drill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry batchelor Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Cutting or diluting epoxy such as Devcon is a gray area. Alcohol and ketones and acetone tend to change the physical properties of the final cured epoxy. One important property that is afected is durability. thinned epoxy will be very brittle and chip more easily. One to avoid all this is to slightly heat the epoxy. I can;t stress enough SLIGHTLY HEAT. I place a small metal mixing cup in a pan of water that microwaved. The epoxy becomes very thin and can easily be applied with a brush. Devon two ton gives me the most beautuiful top coat of any product on the market. Just my two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
