Predator Bass Baits Posted February 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 He did do a nice job on the mouse trap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattlures Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Where on that pot is the part that can kill you? I want to stay clear of it on mine thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Bass Baits Posted February 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 That tin box on the side of the pot that you can see and the wires coming out of it, it is 25 amps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedHed Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Hopefully that thing doesn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
printertom Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 if that box draw 25 amp there should be no less than 10/3 coming out of it i don't see any wiring that big on it. i have shrink wrapper an it draw 25 amp i had to use 10/3 and a dryer plug on it. if it does draw 25 amp it is a death trap that give you little more than a tingle:eek: thanks thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Hopefully that thing doesn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Bass Baits Posted February 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 LOL, I was checking it out better today as it gets picked up tomorrow, alot of wire connectors on this thing was loose, even the wire clamps to hold wires in the boxes was not even tightened up. The wire for the unit is a Teflon/Glass Hi-temp wire made for it and that came from the manufacture so it has to be safe, it was just the builder that was not. I have a Friend that is going to help me build one of these as he builds stuff for his Job, he drew up some nice plans. It will take us a bit to get it done and I will post pic's when completed We are thinking safety first and will enclose all the electrics. I am geek-ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Don't forget you have to use hi-temp connectors on the high temp wire also, use the alum cheap ones and they will burn out. regular crimping pliers won't work , you will need to buy a quality crimper from home depot or electric supply house. Just out of curiosity did you order this thing from lure craft and now your sending it back, and going to build a new one yourself? thats what it sounds like to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Bass Baits Posted February 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 I think it does have the normal aluminum connectors, And Yes I got it from LC My intentions were not to get it so I could look it over and send it back, I am sending it back because of many many reasons, It would be easier just to keep it then go to all the work of building one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 the picture you have online, is that all LC or did you buy the pot only and build everything else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Bass Baits Posted February 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 This is what I received from LC for $1995 plus shipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 for $1995 thats not a bad deal. I thought it was just the pot. there is a few things that need to be fixed, mainly due to libility issues, one serious probem besides the electrical is the pressure relief valve. that needs to have a cover around it and the regulator needs to be put in back of the unit. reason being , most guys dont check or drain the compressor for water and install the proper water separator. water and plastic dont mix to well. the pressure relief valve should be covered in the event that it does go off the user wont get steam or anything hot blown on them. from the regulator to the air intake you should run blue industrial tubing with quick connects( forget the name we ran them on all the press's I designed and built for motorola) the pressure relief valve should be also added ( first one taken out) to the back of the machine on top via itself and not hooked to the airline. hooking it to the airline might give it a false reading since air is being shot in at the same area, and it wont function properly as a safety device. those are a few minor fix's that can be done for $50 -$100 with time involved again thats not a bad deal at all, if they made those above changes they wouldnt have any libility issues that I could see, except for maybe a guard that is put in front of the valve were the platic comes out. for example if the valve failed or was left open it would splatter on the user. Delw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Bass Baits Posted February 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 for $1995 thats not a bad deal. I thought it was just the pot. there is a few things that need to be fixed, mainly due to libility issues, one serious probem besides the electrical is the pressure relief valve. that needs to have a cover around it and the regulator needs to be put in back of the unit. reason being , most guys dont check or drain the compressor for water and install the proper water separator. water and plastic dont mix to well. the pressure relief valve should be covered in the event that it does go off the user wont get steam or anything hot blown on them. from the regulator to the air intake you should run blue industrial tubing with quick connects( forget the name we ran them on all the press's I designed and built for motorola) the pressure relief valve should be also added ( first one taken out) to the back of the machine on top via itself and not hooked to the airline. hooking it to the airline might give it a false reading since air is being shot in at the same area, and it wont function properly as a safety device. those are a few minor fix's that can be done for $50 -$100 with time involved again thats not a bad deal at all, if they made those above changes they wouldnt have any libility issues that I could see, except for maybe a guard that is put in front of the valve were the platic comes out. for example if the valve failed or was left open it would splatter on the user. Delw This is the 2 1/2 gal pot not the 5 gal pot, and all that you mentioned plus all the wireing problems , I would think the wireing is more critical then the fittings, The best job done on this set-up is the mouse trap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 From a libility issue both are equally the same. the pot for the price is not bad, If I had the need for one I would buy it in a heart beat. I would also buy it just like it is also, as I dont mind fixing the wiring and stuff. to the general public those things need to be fixed first so they dont have libility issues. 90% of the general public couldn't put a hose clamp on a water hose, things like this need to be taken into effect when selling something like this to the general public. in all honesty time and materials( like what I see there) 2k is a fair price, no one on this board or anywhere else could make something like that for 2k if they count there time in at $50 per hour. you will have more time in looking for parts than the 2000 k they sell them for. not to mention making a profit on it. oh yeah I know someone will find a way to make it lots cheaper but they are not counting in there time in. most could probally have made the same one in materials only for about 500 bucks. like I said its a fair deal when you consider time and profit. just some bugs need to be worked out, which I am sure they are already working on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmik26 Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 That thing looks like a train wreck of electrical parts . Did they actually clamp down wires in split loom going into those boxes? I think you made the right choice by sending it back. For $2000 you can come up with something better. Wonder if something like this would work? http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...search=1595690 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Bass Baits Posted February 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 No they did not clamp any wires down, That paint can is cheap, Would it work with plastic ? The Aluminum preasure pot for a 2 1/2 gal is $280 Heat element and temp controller is about $560 the AC motor is $120 a DC motor is $290, open box speed control is $50, closed box speed control is $160 I figured what I received from L C has about $1100 in material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmik26 Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Thats funny, works fine for me. If you shop around you can save a little on parts you have listed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Bass Baits Posted February 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 So you use the paint can listed then ? do you heat it with the heat band as well ? any secrets you want to share for parts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 If your really intent on makeing one yourself use a presto pressure cooker,, lost of my customers have made them. the bascs are posted here on this site and mine as well, as I spilled the beans about 2-3 years ago on how to do it. you will will have a time factor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Bass Baits Posted February 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Ya I seen your post on your website but it seems that it is not complete ? questions were asked but never answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmik26 Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 It all really depends on how nice of a pot you want to make. I had bought this pot just to learn the concepts of how it works but did not use it for production, we have a traditional injection machine for that, a lot safer. I had tons of parts and resources available at no cost so I was way ahead of the game. I guess keeping it simple to start is the key. I have seen the drum warmers / heat bands that you mention and they would probably work to keep plastic hot. Is it speed your looking to gain, or being able to inject molds for fine detail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Bass Baits Posted February 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Both, inject and open pour so yes it would need to be air driven, what injection do you have ? The pot By looking at dels link on his site is $159. The pot I got from LC came with a book and I looked up the website, they want $270, and it looks like it is the same pot. http://www.pressurecooker-outlet.com/americancooker.htm https://store.wafco.com/ezmerchant/home.nsf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmik26 Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Check your PM. That pot looks like a great start. Dels right by saying it takes time. I have spent countless hours to only hit a dead end. When you get the pot heat up the pan, plastic, pour in, and put some pressure to it, you will be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millsryno Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I looked into something like this as well (building something), but couldn't figure out how you would have a mixer attached and still keep it pressurized. Any tips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I looked into something like this as well (building something), but couldn't figure out how you would have a mixer attached and still keep it pressurized. Any tips? seals and or o rings you would have to have a machine shop do the work so its presice Delw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
