Cgraff Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 I have two questions. I have never used Matzuo hooks, are they a quality hook. I am interested in the 90 degree aberdeen jighooks (black chrome round bend 117010). I usually use a 604 Gami, are the Matzuo simalar? and are they the same sizes? What I mean by this is when I purchased Mustad Black nickel 2/0 they were bigger than the Gami 2/0 by at least a size. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish devil Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 I get a lot of bad hooks when I order matzuo in bulk. Matzuo wire diamiter is about the same as eagle claw. They are thinner then mustad. I try to use gami's and mustad only. I also like owner hooks for other applications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilcraw Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 I use nothing but Gama, WHY use something that only was following the best......... bulk Matzuo aren't the quality as Gama like fish devil explained you get alot of bad hooks,,,,, that tells me about there quality they're selling to the users........soooooo Gama verse any other hook,? my answer is.....WHY ????? If it ain't broke doen't fix it.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ominousone Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 do owner or vmc or any other's comare to gama's in anyone's opinion? I was trying to figure this out the other day... and whalah someone asks on here a very closely related question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ol_grayfeather Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 I have used the Matzo sickle hooks and dont like them. They were too soft of metal for me, straightened out very easy. I used Gamakatsu's before, and currently do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cgraff Posted February 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 Thanks for the info guys. I always used Gami and will continue to use them. I just seen the price for those Matzuo (cheap), and had to see if anyone used them, Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uppermiss_rat316 Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 I don't know about Owners thin wire stuff but there bigger hooks are (imho) better than anything else out there, I guess the only downfall with Owners is the cutting point can't be resharpened once it rolls, but gamakatsu's lose there point extremely quick, and are overpriced. The Owner cutting point is lethally sharp though, Ive stuck myself twice with em and they do cut:eek: Ohhh and dont use there spinenrbait hook either it ain't worth it:whistle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ominousone Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 why shouldn't you use the owner spinnerbait hook? Is it way overpriced? How about vmc? They are real expensive as well and haven't heard anyone chime in on them yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish devil Posted February 18, 2007 Report Share Posted February 18, 2007 I didn't comment much about the others because I have not had as much experience with them as far as molds. I made comments about Matzuo hooks b/c I had first hand knowledge about them. I like owner, mustad, gami's and VMC (rapala). I have not used VMC or owner in molds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uppermiss_rat316 Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 why shouldn't you use the owner spinnerbait hook? Is it way overpriced? How about vmc? They are real expensive as well and haven't heard anyone chime in on them yet. It was a joke....... but its our secret;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfish4774 Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 There is one brand of jig hook that is , in my opinion, as good as the gamakatsu and that is the Daiichi. One design thing that Daiichi does that I particularily like is that their red hooks are gold underneath so that when the red started wearing off as the jig catches fish the hook has a gold finish. If I could choose whether or not to have gold underneath I would rather have gold than black or nickle. Not that it is a big thing but the specie of fish that my jigs are designed for (Pompano) do seem to be attracted to gold better than black. I can't remember the Gamakatusu's having this feature. There is no doubt that the Gamakatusu's are good hooks but there are ,in my opinion, a little overpriced too. The Daiichi hooks in the one hundred count boxes are not nearly as pricey and , in my opinion, there is no decernable difference in the quaility or their ability to catch fish. As for there being defective hooks within a box. I cannot remember seeing a defective hook from either Daiichi or Gamakatsu. Well now , I might have to take that back. It seems that I can remember both of the brands having barbs that are a smidge smaller from time to time but I think that this is just something that has to be lived with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBlaze Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 I use the VMC BN needle cone spinnerbait hooks and havn't had any complaints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr B Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 I use Owners exclusively in all my Jigs, Spinnerbaits, Buzzbaits, and Chatterbaits. They are super sharp and super strong. I like the fact that the jig hooks are black (hides the hook). There spinnerbait hooks are great too. Yes it is hard to re-sharpen them if they get bent but thats why we pour for ourselves so its not a big loss. For overall sharpness, strength and dependability its very hard to beat Owners. Mr B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bterrill Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Owner hooks are the sharpest on the market, by far. Don't look at them wrong or they will stick you up to the barb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zib Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 I use Matzuo sickle hooks for my walleye jigs because I lose a lot on the very snaggy Detroit River because I want a low cost hook that's sharper than Eagle Claw & Mustad. I wouldn't use Matzuo for anything else. I stick with Owner for my darter heads & tube jigs. Mustad & Eagle Claw rust too much for me & arne't as sharpe as Owner or Gama. I have some Matzuo sickle hooks on some darter heads but the smallmouth straighten them out too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogajiga Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Good plan, Zib. What size Sickles are the smallies bending out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennfish Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 I use Matzuo sickles on small jigs for trout and smallies. Some bad hooks but I get bad hooks from every manufacturer. Price is right, most are sticky sharp, they can be resharpened easily and the thin wire penetrates very well. It's not flipping, its finesse. I've used the larger Matzuo's for tube heads and have caught Stripers up to 20 lbs. Haven't had much of a problem with any hook (Gammi, VMC, Mustad, Owner, Sohumi, Eagle Claw) straightening. Maybe I'm just lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr316 Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 It's not flipping, its finesse. Thats a great point! Matzuo sickle hooks are not a power hook, they are thin wire like anyother aberdeen style hook, if your using em with a mh fast action rod and braid there gonna bend out just like any other thin wire hook. You have to match your equipment to what your fishing. I've tied alot of hair jigs using the walleye jig mold and Matzuo sickle hooks and use them on m to ml spinning gear with 6-8 pound mono or floro and have never bent a hook out that I didn't want to (snags) IMHO they are great lightwire hooks, there strong (for there diameter) resharpen great and are USUALLY sharp right out of the package, if there not sharp take a file to em or pitchem, there cheap and they work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zib Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Good plan, Zib. What size Sickles are the smallies bending out? 3/0 on my darter heads with flouro. It's the 4LB & 5LB smallies on Lake St. Clair that are doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogajiga Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Oh oh, thats the size I use on my walleye/smallmouth 1/8 heads with 6# test mono. Well, thanks for the warning. Luckily (or not) CO doesn't have smallies that big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr316 Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 3/0 on my darter heads with flouro. It's the 4LB & 5LB smallies on Lake St. Clair that are doing it. I've caught my fair share of 4+ pound smallies in current on the river on hair jigs tied with 1, 1/0 and 2/0 Matzuo sickle hooks and have never bent one out due to a fish, Ive bent em on purpose when snagged up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubetragger Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Matzuo are great where a light wire hook is needed......I agree they are not a hook for heavy cover but for the price they can't be beat......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
