donkjc2 Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Is it o.k to take someone else's idea, that they posted on the TU and use it for personal gain? I am just wundering. Where do you draw the line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I would say yes as that is the idea of this site, we all learn from each other. But personally, I would send a PM requesting permission out of respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamabass Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Are they going to sell it everywhere or are they going to show just a few people? If theyre justusing the idea to fish and show heir buddy i feel its ok.but if they go and say market it for a major tacke store then i would be mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamabass Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 i would also like to add that i feel like vdkaman in that respect idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Sorry, misread. For personal gain, definately not without permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamabass Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 my motto is dont post your "secret"info on here unless your prepared for someone to use it.in the nicest way possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 What you are saying is true, unfortunately. But should I ever have a good idea and post it, the thought of someone making a business out of it without even having the common decency to ask is gut churning. This is an age old debate. I'm just a nice guy in a cruel world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDC Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Not without permission. And definately don't present it as your own idea as was done to donk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamabass Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 This was a responce to donkjc about stealing the idea i diddn't call it my own, i kinda like that name " the donk" people will think what is that and pick it up. i want to start my own lure company and we had a 4 day holiday from school ,so i got really bored and the ponds were frozen so i made lures and im doing this out of a do-it flippin' jig mold you donkjc2 seem to have alot of molds and a website im not going to mass produce them just fish them for myself and give them to friends and maybe a few to the 1 good bait shop around here aside from gander mountain but they dont carry local baits so dont get mad at me ive had people take my ideas and fish in the BFL (they diddn't do well) but i just want to have fun and catch fish ill even tell some of my secrets but not the secret color (my dad will kill me, he cuts it off at weigh-ins) look at the chatterbait people have made a million and one different version but the originals is the best mine is probally not as good as yours you can probally fish better than me and make lures but i just make them for myself beacause i cant mass produce i wanted a name beacause when i fish a tournament and win money and they ask me what i won on i can say the so and so not hot glue jig beacause someone will go home and make one and sell them and be a guzzilionare so please dont be mad beacause i really dont want to make anyone madi come here to talk to people like me. i dont have many friends at school beacase when we had to right a report and give a speech and say it in front of the class and you see this kid walking in with a 7 1/2 foot flippin' stick people think your weird and fishing is just about the only thing i could that diddnt involve a weapon Your in a tough situation but still asking would have been the right thing to do. good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I nearly suffocated reading that. Even though it is an old discussion, I think it should be aired on a regular basis so that new members get the message. It should even be laid down in the site rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkjc2 Posted February 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I know that I should have never posted my idea on the site if I was worried about someone stealing it. I thought that mabe a few people would like the idea and give it a try and then say hey that works pretty well or hey that is a stupid idea. I never thought that anyone would try and use it on "this site" to start a business. I relize that the person that tried to do this is only 13 but my God, at least go to another forum and try to sell them. I will admit that I was very mad when I saw the "name my lure" thing. I was just wanting to see what the adults on the forum thought about the subject. By all means, make them, give them to your friends, give them as Christmas persents, donate them to a local kids fishing club, if you do sell them, congrats. I just would rather not heare about it until you are a millionare, so I can sue you. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 We all do basically the same thing here. We invent baits, colors, procedures, etc. We have to respect each other's talents and ideas. If I see something that someone is doing and I think I can improve on it, then I will PM them and pass my thoughts on to them. If they use the or not; that's fine. But; I certainly would not want to see one of my lures or inventions show up on one of our member's website or hear that they were trying to pass it off as theirs.( you would hear about it from me forever) We are all members of a club and we should all act with fellowship toward each other. For the ones that don't; shame on you. If nothing else we should act somewhat ethically. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtlegs Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I agree with all that has bee said. -Trey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microtek60 Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I am just wondering is this the same thing as making a chatter style lure and calling it a chatterbait? I feel it is deffinetly wrong to do anything like this. Like it was said at least go to another site and ask for it to be named. I would be upset as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doomdart Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Has anyone considered that maybe the member in question is just pulling everyone's chain? Does anyone really know him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braveviper Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 He's just a kid, the odds on making money in this biz is soooo small.He may make enough to buy some video games and some baseball cards.If it worries you that much print out the original idea with the time and date on it.If Stanley jigs or Rick Clunn or somebody makes this kid rich, your good as gold.Send him a PM and explain the situation.I see your point though too.How did the glue idea come out anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish_N_Fool Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Not to be a stick in the mud but how many of you make senko clone baits and call them ur own? It's pretty much the same thing as stealing on idea off the forum here. The only way I would ever copy a lure is if the company that was making them quit producing it or went out of business and it was a good fish catcher. Then I thinks it is fine to use an idea. Other then that, it is IMHO just stealing. Copying a color would be fine if it is posted in the recipe book other then that I waould ask. Dont shoot da messenger lol Fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MicroSalm Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Real simple guys. Remember the Golden Rule. (Not the fish ruler either). PM the guy, so what if each of you can become a 1/2 millionaire. You found a new business partner, one with ideas and the other with means to make it happen. As soon as your lure gets to market the big guys copy your idea just being shy of copywrite or patent infringement and put you out of business. It's also possible you may be the next Capt Ken Daubert co-inventor of the Banjo Lure but doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MicroSalm Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I just read through Willie's posts and threads. I agree with Braveviper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn M Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 In my opinion...he's just a kid. Maybe overzealous, but looks like he loves fishing and messing around making some lures. How many of you dreamed of making the ultimate lure as a kid? I've had a couple ideas and have posted them, but I don't care if someone uses that idea to catch a fish or two (that's why I posted them). I'd actually think it was cool that an idea I had helped another TU member. Fishing is fun and I hope more kids are as interested as Willie is. Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 It's not OK just because he is a kid. But I'm pretty sure that he won't make that mistake again. A valuable lesson learned by willie and the rest of the readers of this site, not just TU members. Now that he has stopped messing about with 'hello' and has starting to actually contribute and learn. He could well become a valuable member of the TU community. For these reasons, it could be worth cutting him a little slack after this repremand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 The one thing that's good about posting or showing your ideas here on TU is that it can be traced to time and date as well as many whitnisses. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtlegs Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I think as long as Willie has learned a lesson, he should now understand how the community is. This site is a very close knit community and I dont think that anyone here wants any problems. I hope Willie will stay on here and grow to be a great lure builder like many of the others on here. -Trey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braveviper Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 You hear that Willie? Now...Your punishment for this is you have to clean the basement and the garage and clean the cat litter box for a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish_N_Fool Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Dont forget the dog poop in my yard lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
