piddler Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 i've used powder paint for 15 years and have had excellent sales. lately i've had requests to develop the detailed heads that show scales, gills, etc.. powder paint will hide these fine details and i don't want to switch to spray paint. i know the fish don't care about the fine details but some of my vendors keep asking because their illiterate customers want them. any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celticav Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 With smaller manufacturers of these baits I would say that most fine details on spinnerbaits come from the mold and not the paint job, unless you want to put an awful lot of time into it. With that said I don't think that you will even have that luxury using powder paints because the powder lays on so thick that it will cover most of these detail anyway. JIM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebear Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 I totally agree.. when we make baits.. I think the baits design is what catches fish.. but I got say paint jobs catches customers.. they are ways to get good results on spinnerbait heads..but I don't think you can do it with powder paints..you may be able to use it as a base coat.. I use jig paint thinned and sprayed through a double action airbrush white as the base coat..and clear as a top coat..I may have as many as three other colors in the middle..this does change the price of my baits there is a lot of labor in making a detailed head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadlystreamer Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 I've been trying to change the paint I use on my streamers. Having an awful time since I use three colors on each streamer. The paint is purely a fisherman thing. The streamers I use when I go fishing are almost paint free. I fish shallow trout rivers and always bounce my streamers off the rocks, tree trunks or any other thing laying on the river creating cover for the trout. The streamers with no paint left on them work as well as the ones with paint. So I guess the paint is in the eyes of the beholder and not the fish. I will say that I like the powder paint and I've gotten baits from Celticav with a paint job that is perfect. That paint is not coming off those baits. It's like buying a new car, I hate to use them and mar the finish. Littlebear speaks of jig paint. I'm working with that now trying to perfect my paint. I used two coats of the white and a color on that and then the clear coat. That takes a lot of time but the finish is nice. I'm waiting for more colors to test some more. I need to get it thinned to be able to spray it on. Thinner is also on order. Now I must decide if I want perfect paint for the fisherman or the perfect bait for the fish. So far the bait for the fish has been profitable. We'll see.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebear Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Deadly, you are making some good looking streamers..I tried to look at them up close but they seem to be out of focus.. littlebear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadlystreamer Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Littlebear, So am I sometimes.. "out of focus".. LOL I have a PDR-M4 Toshiba digital camera. It takes good pictures but I can't get the detail shot of my streamers. I've tried everything and can't get the pictures you guys get of your baits. So clear and perfect. How the heck do you do it? Lay some secrets on me. LOL Anyone!! Tell me what I'm doing wrong. I'm just a young man with lots of room for learning. I'd better stop there because I'm starting to sound like a fisherman now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebear Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Right of the bat let me say I have become a better picture taker after some lessions from a good friend that is a true pro..and when it became time to lay down my 35mm camera and give up all the scanning.. I went back and ask my friend what do I need to make copy shots for my tackle shop.. I then made a list of the features that I was told would give me the pictures I wanted..I had a budget of about 400.00 bucks.. features included:4.0 mega Pixels Macro: settings auto & manual mode 4X optical zoom built in flash Compact Flash card 60 sec of auto and video in movie mode ISO range of 64 to 400 (same as speed of film) rechargeable batterys under $400. I also got a compact flash reader The camera is a Minolta S414 Dimage I use a 128 compack flash card This has been a great camera.. I use it on the lake to take pictures for my articles.. and in macro it will shoot and auto focus to 3 inches from the subject, it will also take good night shots..my avitar was shot after dark.. by the way.. I don't sell this camera or have anything to do with them except using one.. Littlebear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piddler Posted November 20, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 just to clarify, i was talking about the detail that is molded into the head, not painted on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadlystreamer Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Hi again littlebear, You would make an excellent camera salesmen. I wonder if I were to use the Macro if I'd get better pictures..daaa lol My camera has almost the same features as yours, It's probably I don't know how to use it properly. :oops: Thanks for the info and I'll see if I can improve on my pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebear Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Piddler, I think you can have a mold made that has the detail in the mold..still the thickness of powder paints might cover them up, I think that's one of those things you would just have to play with and see.. I do have a few custom molds.. when I worked for Armstrongs products corp. as a tool and die maker.. I had access to machines where I could do this sort of thing..having it done for you could be a little costly.. but you might have something pretty special when you worked out all the details.. littlebear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebear Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 if you have a macro setting.. then I think your good to go.. most macro digital cameras have some auto focus feature..My first digital camera had a focal lenght of about 3 to 8 ft.. I couldn't take much of anykind of up close picture.. it was very fustrating.. I set up on a work bench.. add some lighting so I don't have to deal with a flash..flash on blades can be hard to control.. I use a cloth back ground that doesn't have to much gloss to it.. then in macro I start taking pictures from a tri pod.. once I get one right then you can just change baits and leave your set up untouched as you work through your stock.. good luck.. sorry about sounding like a camera salesman..I wasn't intended to sound like that..this was a problem I struggled with for a while.. and the new camera just made it all work for me good luck littlebear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Splash Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Great camera tips! Hey Red, I wonder if we should give this discusion its' own heading? I think a lot of us have/ are / will stuggle with this one at some time. We could get some more tips added by others too. I own a cheap dgital- its not realy good for anything! For my outdoor shots I'm using a thirty-something year old Cannon 35mm. For close up lure shots I'm using the scanner with so-so results, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadlystreamer Posted November 21, 2003 Report Share Posted November 21, 2003 Big Splash, Not a bad idea. What'd-ya say g8r? This could be something we all could get pointers on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemmy Posted November 21, 2003 Report Share Posted November 21, 2003 Hey guys! I posted a link to a lure photo site i found online in the hard baits section.. craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
