White Color

[saint308]

I have a guy who wants some white senkos and frogs. He wants some with flake and some without. I have never poured anything white. How hard is it to deal with and how badly does scent mess with the color? Also, in your opinion who has the best white colorant? Thanks guys. Saint.

[nova]

I wouldn't put any scent in or on white until it is ready to be used as it may discolor the bait. You also have to be careful with glitter, it can dramatically change the color.

Make sure your customer really understands what will happen to white when you add color or you may be stuck with the baits.

www.novalures.com

[bigbass14.3]

saint,

I have some white baits with flake will take pics for you and send to you, I think the best white colorant is LC, also netcraft has small bottles of liquid silver pearl and pearlescent they work great, best flake is blue flake in a white frog , black and blue in sinko's.

hope this helps

Jason

[Richard Prager]

When I pour white, I find that I can cook in Anise and also apply it after without any problems.

[alsworms]

When I pour white, I find that I can cook in Anise and also apply it after without any problems.

I agree. Anise works well for me with white coloring. I can also use LC shad scent without any problems.

DON'T USE GARLIC IN WHITE!! It will turn it yellow in seconds.

And Nova is right on the money with the glitter. Black is the only color flake I'll put in white, and small portions at that.

Good Luck!

[saint308]

Roger that. He was wanting white frogs with blue and red flake. He also wanted a pearl senko with red and blue flake. I will order LC white and anise if they have it. I told him I would give him his money back if it was not what he wanted. Thanks. Saint.

[dampeoples]

I'll echo what everyone else is saying, although you can get some nice effects, this is DM white with LC 536 and LC .015 green

Thought I had a picture of it, but I've also used some LC silver holo flake with white, it doesn't bleed, and looks nice, you just have to choose carefully.

[Delw]

white pours nice, but you need to pour a little differntly, keep the plastic cooler than normal , don't add flake if you do run the plastic cool not pipeing hot and don't reheat, like others said anis worksbest mainly cause its clear

[saint308]

On the same note. Does anyone know about how much pearl I should add to get a good color? I have some pearlesence (sp?) from MF I think. I will be pouring some senkos in pearl. Thanks. Saint.

[Senkosam]

For a natural white I use only sugar flakes.

This laminate used no white and if you can imagine what skim milk looks like held up to the light.......

If I want it lighter, two drop of white are added per cup.

[David Reid]

SS, Do you mean sugar crystals? I would have thought titanium dioxide which is the white pigment they normally use in alkyd and often acylic paints was a pretty effective pigment and colour medium.

[One Sock]

MF has a great white, when adding pearlescent I was always told one drop for every drop of color you add, but I have found on my own that using both MF products I use 12 drops white and 6 drops pearl in 4 ounces

Never reheat and if you do watch the heat it will yellow quickly if heated too long. the salt you use might also have an effect on it. I have many customers that order just white, white with black, blue,red or even silver, also be careful if you are making other colored baits if you have any dye on your fingers it will rub off quick.

[Senkosam]

Sugar is actually clear poly flakes that when overlapping, create a skim milk white. I compare the color to the belly color of a largemouth.

[David Reid]

SS and others, Thanks hadnt come across the term Sugar before. Better to ask and look a little stupid and naive than to look really stupid later because it had passed right over my head.

[saint308]

Or even better.....before you go to the pantry and put a bunch of table sugar in the microwave. Saint.

[David Reid]

Saint, I dont think I was likely to do that somehow, I am too slow methodical and painstaking by nature fortunately or unfortunately. The world is full of idiots as it is and I just hate joining their numbers. We get a video out here called the The World's Police Most Violent Videos or something similar which I watch ocassionally and I just cannot believe the Boneheads it shows. We all make mistakes and learn from them but some of these clowns never ever engaged their brains it seems.

Anyway good thought. Lol. Are there any sweet toothed fish out there???

I think one of the reasons Berkleys scent juice works is because the pH will definitely be acidic. Would be interesting to see what it actually tests up as.

[One Sock]

Anyway good thought. Lol. Are there any sweet toothed fish out there???

I think one of the reasons Berkleys scent juice works is because the pH will definitely be acidic. Would be interesting to see what it actually tests up as.

ahh fish will eat anything, it still amazes me how much people fall into the whole scent thing, don't get me wrong, it can make a difference under certain conditions, I also think that there are days when a fish just might pass on your sambuca soaked worm in favor of an unscented worm

but what about all those bass that fell victim back in the days before scent? i think it's a confidence thing for the most part.

i use it all the time, but there was a time I never used it and i don't see much of a difference in my catch rate.

if all fish thought the same way, a bedding bass would either always spook or never spook. How come some will east your bait right away, while others will swim off that bed so fast and wait until they think it's safe to return.

I have read all the books, unfortunately the fish didn't write them

Next time the bite is on, pour a little gas on your worms, see if they just stop biting, chances are the fish will eat your worms regardless of scent

but it does make you wonder

[David Reid]

Not sure that I agree with you at all there Sock in fact I believe and know from experience that scent does play quite a part. Now some of that may come down to what fish we are talking about and the locations we are fishing in. Eg. You are targeting and talking about bass in this case the freshwater variety as found in the lakes and rivers of North America and I am talking about marine fish as found in the Pacific. I cant speak about bass as I have never targeted or fished for them let alone even seen one but I can speak about the marine fish I target and the fact that scent is fairly important if you want to catch them. For instance to be successful and to be more successful one needs to use berley. Someone using berley to attract fish will always be more successful than someone not using it. Again the importance of scent comes down to the fish, with some it is more important than others. eg. Sharks can detect something like ppm whereas with a small school fish its not so important.

I think a lot of the problems when we discuss things like this come about because humans tend to look at things from a human perspective and judge from that perspective. They say 80% of a fishes brain is tied up with scent and tracking and finding food and prey and I imagine that is right but it dosnt necessarilly have to be in the terms we understand. Eg. A lot of humans and especially their owners think cats are extremely intelligent and often attributing human qualities to them. This is just not true. its more a case of stupid humans rather than highly intelligent cats. Often it is a case of instinctive intelligence rather than native natural intelligence. Throughout nature the intelligence a particular animal has is invariably related to gestation period, the longer the gestation period generally the higher the intelligence. Cats are certainly intelligence but with a gestation period of 63-65 days ie. = 9 weeks super intelligent get off the grass. Heck if someone was to look after me feed me and pamper me from the cradle to the grave to satisfy some inner craving or need I am sure I would be intelligent too. I could probably be trained to perform sex on demand too for that matter or at least lick the arm of the person that fed me. Anyway you get the drift of my argument.

Like I said we need to stop looking at things from a often solely human perspective and judgement and when looking at things like this to start looking at it from its role and place in nature in relation to the animal or in this case fish. Yeah the older I get the more cynical I get about human intelligence too.

[One Sock]

.snip>Not sure that I agree with you at all there Sock in fact I believe and know from experience that scent does play quite a part. Now some of that may come down to what fish we are talking about and the locations we are fishing in.

Well your right, I always have bass on the brain. I was specifically referring to bass. Scent plays a whole different story when it comes to saltwater fish and some other fish as well. But not bass, at least not all the time. I have done quite a bit of saltwater fishing on the east coast, but most of the fish I caught over there, didn't care if the bait had scent or not. But I was almost always either fishing for Stripers or Bluefish

[Senkosam]

Freshwater lure scent or rather taste IMO might be important for bite retention, but I believe even that has more to do with fish aggressiveness, competitiveness (ie. in a school) and the softness of plastics. Catfish have the most sensitivity to water disolved odors which is why stink baits or a pierced can of Friskies cat food works so well drawing them to an area.

But bass and other predatory species don't hunt down their prey by scent like a land predator, but react to prey or lure movement, most times from ambush or a stationary position. How we work a lure type and where we work it, I think, is the key to reflex strikes, not scent/taste. I realize many anglers have many experiences confirming scent as something that made a difference on a particular day and I believe in using scent when I ice fish, but for most lure types, it's a waste of money unless it inspires confidence.

Each to his own.

[David Reid]

SS, I think you have something right there with most of what you are saying and especially when you talk about inspiring confidence. Each of these things which each of us do on their own dont actually mean a lot by themselves but collectively help to reinforce our own self confidence and positivity and consequently produce positive results. Ouite simply it is often expressed as "The sum of the pieces make up the whole."

What I was saying or trying to say to Sock earlier was that there is a difference between some marine fish species and fishwater species.

[Theflyingplatypus]

In the waters i fish salt inpregnated plastics always outfish non salted. It is not a hit factor, its retention. I have found that a salted lure is held on to ALOT longer. Just my 2 cents

[David Reid]

Are you fishing freshwater or salt? For bass or what?

[Theflyingplatypus]

Bass, fresh.