rockylinx Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 If i copy this And sell the product under my name, is that a patent infringement and can i get in trouble ?? I know the design is the same but there all basically the same- what would happen if i made there 4" into my 4 1/4" and put my name on it Im not going to do that just want to know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smirkplug Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Then You Would Be A Slimey Slug... Just Like When You Killed That California Corbina Thats Full Of Toxins... If You Ate It Then You Really Are In Trouble !!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockylinx Posted June 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 OUCH, I have killed and my hand are stained red with the blood of a corbina , I can no longer sleep without the fear of the God of corbinas striking me down with toxins. I have used a fish for my benefits and I will Suffer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattlures Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 I am prety sure Hammers are not patented. I can never understand why everybody copies other baits. Why not just take the time and carve out a master and make a mold of it. Believe me the Hammers action is good but it can definatley be improved. You will get much more satisfaction catching fish on a bait that you designed than making a mold of somebody elses bait and calling it yours. Those simple swimbaits are the easyest to carve. Also when you do make your own baits you will learn what makes a bait swim and what you can do to get a desired action. By copying other baits it is dificult to fully understand them. BTW I first started by copying Fishtraps. After a year or so I started plying with my own designs and made my own ocean swimbaits. Its much more rewarding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockylinx Posted June 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 I agree with you, the last thing i want to do is copy a lure that is sold in any color combo and is available in every bait store I just don't know were to start I tried sculply clay that hardens when cooked. Im getting good results with that Now you say carve, what material do you carve from (I presume wood) I just don't know what kind and were to get it? Ive carved balsa in the boy scouts many years ago.I wasn't too thrilled with the soft nature of that wood Mattlures I thank you for your knowledge and please let me know were to start smirkplug if i promise not to kill ,maybe you can share some insite Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Mattlures, 100% right on the button. Rocky, I understand your problem, I have just been down the same road myself, trying to create a master that I was happy with. Carving balsa is a good start, but it is dificult to achieve the symmetry etc. Car filler can be added, but the problem is that when you sand it, the wood tends to be removed in preference to the filler. Solution 1. completely cover the rough balsa master with the filler and continue to shape that until you are completely happy. Solution 2. (my method) I took a latex splash from the balsa master (the rough master can them be kept incase needed in the future). From the latex, I cast a resin master#2. I continue to add filler to this and shape. The advantage of this is that the latex splash can always be re-visited. The lure that I am designing is going to be tweeked to death until I get it absolutely right, so I am happy with the overkill with the masters. Note, the resin cast will lose size from the balsa, so you must allow some. Experience will guide you. I would be interested how others go about creating masters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockylinx Posted June 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 vodka. Nice technique you are a master of your art. I need to ask you a couple of detailed questions, sorry for the questions In really green when it comes to this subject (my method) I took a latex splash from the balsa master (the rough master can them be kept incase needed in the future). From the latex, I cast a resin master#2. I continue to add filler to this and shape. step 1 make a latex mold of the rough original step 2 cast in resin By resin do you mean fiberglass resin ???? step 3 add filler to this and shape Are you talking about auto body filler ie. bondo Just to make sure were on the same page. First cast a rough model then carve and cut ,if you make a mistake fill it with filler ?? does that sound correct Thank You Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattlures Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 I use many diferent materials for diferent types of masters. For a swimbait like that I would first make a flexible mold of the original Hammer. I might even peice together a rough master from diferent baits. Then make the flexible mold out of silicone. That mold would be filled with bondo. From there you have something to work with. When you have something close you can push it into some clay and carefully pull it out. You then pour your hot plastisol into your temparary clay mold. You can do this over and over again untill your rough bait swims the way you want it to. Once you achieved the desired action finish your hard master by sanding it super smooth and a few coats of high gloss paint. Now its YOUR Bait! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Rocky, I am far, sooo far from masterdom, I too am new to this sport. I was really hoping some of the more experiernced would chip in here. I think it is fibreglass resin, but I bought it in a art shop, it is used for casting chess pieces and stuff like that. You add 15 drops from a small bottle to 25g of the resin and it goes off in about 20 mins. It stays a bit tacky, but after 24 hrs it is fine. I think it would make a good mold material. The filler I use is car filler, I have only seen bondo on this site, so bondo is car filler? I wish someone had mentioned that before, now I need to cancel my gallon order from detroit! I had considered car filler as a mold material, now I don't need to try the resin. You Americans love your trade names!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do realise that my method is overkill, but to produce a master for a hunter is a long and tedious process, as I want to cast and not have to fine tune each lure. Yes, Pete we're on the same page. Keep us posted. Nice one Matt, just read your post after posting mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockylinx Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Matt Im feeling the love -quick question when you say bondo are you talking about fiberglass resin or car filler keep it coming Vodka Thats not overkill- you just have a system I want to copy your system because I believe it will work 1st yes its fiberglass resin I looked up the specs and converted the directions and its exactly the same mixing quantity as the stuff i have in the garage 2nd Bondo makes both fiberglass resin and car filler so check your order and make sure you got the right stuff if i had a choice i would prefer fiberglass due to the strength Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattlures Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 You can use either car filler or resin or mix them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockylinx Posted July 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 How would I mix them both together don't they take there own separate hardener??? Ive tried basic fiberglass resin for my latex mold and it looks like crap. I'm looking for an alternative to fiberglass resin.I found some clear resin from Michaels anyone try that for casting in a latex mold. Anything work better in a mold like that (latex)?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wannabefishing Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 rocky... mix bondo (body filler) and fiberglass resin (60/40 works for me) and use the resin hardener.... stir it up really good, will be a bit runny... when it sets up, hard as concrete... Never used it for plastics, but use it for subwoofer/kickpanel enclosures for cars... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockylinx Posted July 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 wannabefishing Im going to try it tomorrow Thank You Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Bondo also works good for lead molds as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
