slow-rollin Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 So far I have bought 2 molds from Delw and looked at Bobstackleshack, but are there other places to buy molds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACHINIST Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 check my threads and give me a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bssmstr Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 search E-bay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcl58 Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 zorn mold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senkosam Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 check my threads and give me a few weeks. Please keep us informed. Suppliers are in short supply. Demand is always there, especially for classic designs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACHINIST Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I am just finishing up the latest on the stick mold and I am going to finish the latest on the trick worm tommorow and then I am going to have them poured to evaluate the worm Please keep us informed. Suppliers are in short supply. Demand is always there, especially for classic designs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charmerbaits Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Here is another option. http://www.shawncollinscustoms.com/index.html Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubeman Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Or check the TU classifieds... 4" buzz frawgs 9 molds left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Bass Baits Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I would stay away from Shawn, I worked with him and spent about $1000 in molds, everyone had trouble and I had to send them back and pay shipping both ways, I bought 3 grub molds that I sent back about 3 or 4 times, then I wanted a 4" drop shot mold and sent him a bait, he ended up making me something different, I did not want my name on this mold as well but I got it, It cost me about $185 for that mold and I did not like it and I asked him to change it and he wanted another $120 + shipping both ways. I reminded him that he made this mold of something different then what I ordered and now he will not even e-mail me back. Another person on this forum told me he purchased a 4 pour injection mold and only got a 3 pour and shawn would not make it right with him as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampBaits Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Thanks for sharing that information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint308 Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I really think Rick aka machinist is going to have some good molds. I know the trick worm is coming along and I hear the stick is complete. He has a few more programs entered for other molds, but is trying to finish the trick worm before starting on the new stuff. Stay tuned. Saint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmik26 Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Predator - That was me that got a 3 cavity instead of a 4 cavity. Still burns me to this day . I was pretty much in the same boat, spent $1300 dollars with Shawn and got a pretty crappy answer. Not sure what went wrong there, but it I am pretty confident I would not go back. For what its worth his first 5 molds were better then perfect, just this last one that went sour?? Saint - I have emailed Rick the machinist a bunch of times and he has got back to me super quick. Sounded like my molds are coming up after a few others, I can't wait to see the molds. Please post some pics when you get some baits poured . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint308 Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 jmik: Will do. What kind of molds are you getting? Saint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmik26 Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 In order if he will cut them. 1. Trick Worm 2. 10" Power Bait 3. Super Fluke 4. Paca Craw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint308 Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Nice. I hope it all works out for you. I am also interested in seeing a swimbait come from him. We have talked about it and discussed some of the things that would make it great, but I think that is further down the line. Saint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senkosam Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Too bad. Other than Bob, we all need another source that provides good service, though I would like to hear Shawn's side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I would stay away from Shawn, I worked with him and spent about $1000 in molds, everyone had trouble and I had to send them back and pay shipping both ways, I bought 3 grub molds that I sent back about 3 or 4 times, then I wanted a 4" drop shot mold and sent him a bait, he ended up making me something different, I did not want my name on this mold as well but I got it, It cost me about $185 for that mold and I did not like it and I asked him to change it and he wanted another $120 + shipping both ways. I reminded him that he made this mold of something different then what I ordered and now he will not even e-mail me back. Another person on this forum told me he purchased a 4 pour injection mold and only got a 3 pour and shawn would not make it right with him as well. I should have probably stayed out of this BUTT... There are 2 sides to every story always remember that. when it comes to custom molds there are competely different circumstances that should be known by all. WE ( machinist) get drawings, put togethered baits ,ideas off the phone from the customer,fax's etc. if the drawings are not perfect and in 3d you will never get anything exactly right. sure you can get it pretty darn close just like a sample bait or on the phone. but it will never be exactly right. so the problem lies in who is going to pay for it, if its not exactly what the customer wants? If someone has a blueprint they get what they have on the print other wise its called scrap and they don't pay for it. If someone comes and has you build a part with no print and it doesn't work its not the machinist fault as he made it to the best he could from your description, so why should he have to loose money. In the 3d world(like molds) its a huge difference in that everything is pretty much left open unless the customer knows how to do 3d cad and supplies a machinist with a Detailed Drawing and or a detailed Cad drawing. We ( machinist can only go by the info you tell us and hope to heck its right on the money) when I do custom work I explain it if they ( customer) can't live with close then it gets done like this. you send me what you have avail. I make it as close as I can, I pour a bait and mail you the sample. you get charged for the first mold and the mailing. if its a Mold that they want to pour then they pay for the mold up front and I send it to them. they pour it and make any changes they need, then send me back the changes and I make a new one or sometimes modify that one and they get charged for shipping back programming time and set-up time run time etc. The machinist shouldn't have to EAT the cost for someone not suppling them with a exact blue print? I've made hundreds of custom molds and I get a problem here or there, and after a lot of conversations the designs usually change leaving out the name or adding in the name etc. sometimes in that conversation one of us might miss the part were the customer said to leave this part off or add that part. Whats hard to do is make the customer understand that it came out like this cause thats all we had to work with in the first place.Most customers do but there are a few that don't. there are a million different ways and dimensions, curves contours that could have been been used. how are we suppose to know which one someone wanted.? heres a perfect example of what machinist have to work with. I get an email asking for a custom mold 3 size's , the bait is described to me and is needed in 3 different sizes. I designed the org. bait for the guy in the first place. Tooling will have to be changed do to the size of the new ones is a lot smaller. he wants all 3 size samples on one plate, so he can test it with his prostaff and if they like them then they will purchase 10+ molds of each one. So I shoot over a quote explaining how, why, how much, delivery time etc., and this is the email I get back. Mr. Wilcox$175 just for a sample plate????? I think we will have to decline, I have had several sample plates made by your competitors at no charge, it doesn't make very good business sence for me to pay $175 for something that might be totally useless for our company, At the same time this doesn't seem to make much sence to charge us for a sample plate that would lead to 10-15 custom molds. Maybe I am missing something here, but we just can't do that. Thanks for your time and we certainly appreciate the work you have done for us in the past. signed ************* This email just baffles the heck out of me cause I am told I have to eat it if he or his pro-staff don't like it. But It makes good business sence to stick it to the machinist??I eat $20 in material 1-3 hours of programming $60-$180 set up time $30-$60 run time $80+ shipping fees $10+ back and forth sending for the final The sample plate was a pretty dang good deal for the simple fact that I had designed the bait to begin with. the molds were going to run $60 or less each depending on the amount of mold actually ordered A few things for customer that want custom molds made, that might make things a little easier when talking to one. Drawing: A cad file with all 3d dimensions, if not that a glued together bait. A drawing on a piece of paper is not a good idea if you want something exact. A bait sample is always the best with the exception of a 3d cad file, this way the machinist can see the bait from all angles. I realize a cad drawing can't be done by everyone, there are very very few people that can do 3d cadd, not to mention you have to buy a cadd program and learn how to use it. Action: Remember the action of the bait is up to you, For example a paca craw. we can make an exact mold of that bait, however if you don't pour it with the same plastic and everything else that the factory use's you will get a completely different action, thats not the person who made your molds fault. Pouring: we can't guarentee if you can pour a custom mold or not, some guys pour plastic hot some plastic cool, some add salt. sometimes a pot doesn't work, or a pyrex doesnt work, sometimes certain brands of plastic won't work ( like hard plastic won't pour like soft plastic will etc) its always Best to ask the person making his mold his opinion and be very specific on what plastic you use and how you pour. most machinist will ask this even before they give you a price on it. Price: This is a tricky one. Cost for alum molds are going to be high. reason being the machine cost is 40+k up to 200+k insurance for that machine maintence on that machine, if that machine breaks we have to fix it, parts are not cheap and neither is labor its pretty much a $500-$1000 bill every time a tech comes into a shop. tooling on that machine way oils coolants electricity a building to store it in Material 3d Programming software someone to write the program were as making a mold out of RTV or pop you can do in your house on the kitchen counter with your wifes kitchen appliances . this is why Alum molds are much more expensive. Delw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Great article Del, it needed saying. If I was asked to model a complex shape like a frog or a craw, I could see it taking et least ten hours to model on CAD and It would cost a lot more than $175!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dampeoples Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 I was gonna post about how my experiences with Shawn were all positive, and yes, I could include a very large number of dollars I spent, etc, etc, but I think Del said it best. There's two sides to every story, and the new kid on the block (no offence machinest) doesn't always have the right answer. At least until someone bags him, but by then, the damage is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Prager Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Thanks for taking the time to lay that out there for us, Del. It gives me a better understanding of the process and what's involved. If you'd like me to field test any of those prototypes you might have laying around collecting dust........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACHINIST Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Hi guys I just wanted to tell everyone that dell is 100% right on the money with his post.The world of the cnc machinist is a tough one,when you think that everything is perfect,then it turns out to be not even close.I have been refining the trick worm with alchi and the stick between myself ad nyfisherman.and I can tell you that its a tough road.Alchi has helped me greatly and so has nyfisherman.The one thing that nobody sees is the setup time and costs associated in a mold.The trick worms I did today took me about 8 hours to run the two two piece molds complete.Thats setting offsets for tools,positions,proofing the programs cutuing and trueing up stock........ect ect ect.But now that everrything is proved out it wont take as long.I would say that it is like filleting fish,you set up the knives,sharpener,gut bag,filllet bowl,paper towels,fillet boards.then the fish takes a while while the second goes a little easier and so on and so on.I can tell you guys from experience that dells molds and from what I have seen of shawns they are a-1 machinist's and they should be proud of their work.Not to mention that del is constantly on here offering advice to whomever wants it.My hat is off to you sir you seem like one hell of a guy:yay: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACHINIST Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 No offence taken but what do you meeen by "At least until someone bags him, but by then, the damage is done" I was gonna post about how my experiences with Shawn were all positive, and yes, I could include a very large number of dollars I spent, etc, etc, but I think Del said it best. There's two sides to every story, and the new kid on the block (no offence machinest) doesn't always have the right answer. At least until someone bags him, but by then, the damage is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dampeoples Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Means that now the loud people are bagging person x, running to person y, but when things don't go completely their way, they'll then bag person y. They'll run out of people willing to work for them before long Strictly theoretical, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 No offence taken but what do you meeen by "At least until someone bags him, but by then, the damage is done" What I am thinking he means is, there is a few guys that run around from shop to shop, plastic supplier to plastic supplier, bag supplier to bag supplier and things are happy, then BOOM for what ever reason they are the worst, then they move to the next guy, everything is fine then boom he gets slammed and so on and so on. its a never ending soap oprea with a few guys on this board. Basically it boils down to your going to make it right for me and give me a good deal and if you don't I am going to slam your butt on tackle underground or somewhere else on the internet. what these people fail to realize is that the people who sell and are doing the work are watching and reading and hearing things. Delw I've seen it happen been involved in it many times too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braveviper Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Dont forget a slam here or on any other website will hurt business.These guys do this for a living....They feed their families and pay the bills with this craft.Think about that before your next post.Im not saying not to complain when an order isnt right or is late, I just believe everyone need some slack.My two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
