Mr B Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 This might be the same hook that someone earlier was asking about. I am looking for the hook that is in the Stamina Pro Football head. http://www.staminainc.com/bassjigs/weedlsfootball.html Its a 60 deg. EWG with a flat eye. I have alot of customers who like this head and some companies are using them on their jigs. I just dont want to have to buy pre-poured heads if I can just pour them myself. I dont see these hooks on the Gami website. Mr B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elken Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Here are some 60 degree flat eye Gamakatsu jig hooks; I'm not sure they qualify for XWG or not... http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?id=0036604116609a&navCount=2&podId=0036604&parentId=cat21436&navAction=jump&cmCat=BargainCave&catalogCode=OF&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat21436&hasJS=true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr B Posted December 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Elken, thanks for your reply. Ya I have seen those hooks. These guys "Need" the EWG style. They must be a "Special Run" that you have to by 1000s of I guess. Mr B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gat0r Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Hey Mr. B. I've been searching high and low for that hook. I've got a call into Gamakatsu about special ordering it. I've had a lot of success with this head and like you want to start making my own. Staminainc said sorry charlie on the mold so I'm hoping to find the hooks. If its a mass quantity thing, you consider going "halfsies" on an order? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigmaster Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 hey, all I think the heads are poured for Stamina by Cast Inustries..... www.castind.com look at their "pro weedless football" head I think that is it.......and cheaper than Stamina I have some of those hooks......would be willing to part with them.... regards jm www.daimonlures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr B Posted December 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Jigmaster, you're correct. That is the head/hook combo. I didnt notce it being less expensive than Stamina though, 3/4oz 5/ $5.30. I would be buying them by the (50) at least, .96c ea. If you have some of these hooks I would love to get some from you or better yet find out where you got them from. Thanks Mr B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigmaster Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Mr B.........sent you a PM email me direct bsimmons@macatawa.com Regards JM www.daimonlures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gat0r Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Thanks for the info Jigmaster... you're a wealth of knowledge. I'm sending you an email as well. Going to try to cook some more jigs with teflon tubing tonight. Yeah I saw the jigs unpainted were cheaper than staminainc at $0.65 a head. Even the 50 count price. I'm still up in the air about trying to make a mold and pour it with that hook. But the thought has been crossing my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigmaster Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 how does that saying go......good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement........lol i have screwed up my fair share of jigs playing around with stuff, trying to find solutions.......trial and error......it is always cheaper to learn from the mistakes of others......I am glad that I am able to contribute. as for that teflon.......if you are still seeing deforming issues with the weedguards, which you may, depending on strand diameter and heat in the oven, try wrapping the weedguard bundles in HD tinfoil from the kitchen.......shiny side out...., and then sliding the teflon over top of the foil. The foil will act as an additional heat barrier. It will also allow for the guard not to lose its shape........with heat, it will tend to take the shape and diameter of the teflon tube.......(that is why the small diameter of teflon)...foil will eliminate that...it is more time consuming to use the foil method......but it works. be careful not to let any foil touch the paint, as it will stick to it, and you cannot remove it once that happens. regards jm www.daimonlures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr B Posted December 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 My mistake on the price. I was looking at a very old Stamina Catalog. Jigmaster, you have mail. Mr B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Mike Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 My question is what difference does it make to the bait that it has a 60 degree flat or a 60 degree straight???? I can't find an advantage??? Someone enlighten me? T Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gat0r Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Can't give you a technical explanation. I'm playing with the jigs from Staminainc right now and I've caught some big smallmouths and spotted bass on Kentucky Lake, Table Rock Lake, and another lake in Oklahoma. So I know they work. But I've not done a comparison to see if I get a better hookup ratio with the straight hook versus the wide gap hook? Maybe someone else has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Triton Mike, I agree with you. You can get a wide gap hook with a straight eye also. Pop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triton Mike Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 I just have a hard time thinking you need a flat eyelet vs a straight one?? The line tie is at the same exact angle and the gap is the same??? Just weird why there is this sudden craze over a flat eyelet but nobody can explain why it's better? I've been using the straight eyelet and have no problems on hookups. I guide for Spotted bass in deep clear lakes here in Georgia over 150 + days a year and we have zero problems. Now if your comparing a 60 degree to a 90 degree then your onto something. 60 degree bend is quite a bit more weedless than a 90 degree bend. Ever use a jig to flip grass or heavy wood with a 90 degree bend hook?? hangup city. Just .02. T Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gat0r Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Yeah, I guess its a preference thing. The undying quest of anglers to find every unique angle, color, material out there to give them that "magic" edge. It's funny to think the best anglers in the world catch a ton of big bass on a "brown jig with a straight hook". I'm sure it doesn't matter but I like the quest nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr B Posted December 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 I myself dont care weather it is the standard line tie or the flat eye. The so called "Advantage" of the Flat eye is the knot will not slide to the top of the eye or down to the bottom of the eye. Therefor the eye will always be pulled at the same angle during the retrieve keeping the jig in the same position during the retrieve. I personally like the Owner Deepthroat for my 60 degree hooks. They hold plastic trailers better and dont let them slide down the hook because of the bend in the hook. Some of my customers just get caught up in "whats new" and think it will give them the edge. I prefer to throw what I have confidence in. Mr B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unagi Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Jigmaster, thanks for the heads up on the Cast Industries site. I am forever cross referencing hooks in the search for the perfect jig, spinnerbait etc. Upon closer examination I think that the hook that "Cast" uses is the Gamakastu straight eye Shiner hook (5141). The shape of the shiner hook including the crossed eye could easily be incorporated into a custom mold yielding the appearance of an EWG style jig, furthermore the Pro weedless football jig has a similarly forged hook. The other tell tale is the size selection offering which includes 6/0 hooks which is otherwise rare for Gamakatsu flipping jig hooks which often top out at 4/0. http://www.gamakatsu.com/catalog/shiner.htm Good luck, Paul Shibata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigmaster Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Unagi We purchase a fair amount of the 5141, and tie stainless wireguards on them, (think falcon "K" Whacky) we call it our talon series.....anyway, my point is...it is not the same hook. Quite similar, but not the same. That being said, I experimented with the 5141, to see if I could bend it to fit my flateye mold......met with limited success, but I think it could be done with more patience. Not the same hook, though. regards JM www.daimonlures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gat0r Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Ain't that the truth Mr. B. Guys really like that flat-eye football jig. And I've speculated that it's just because it's different. I bet I could throw the old 60 degree widegap straight eye and they'd never notice. LOL! But I'm just getting into pouring my own heads (mainly to bring my costs down). But I also want to change the head a little too. So we'll see. Good information again guys. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr B Posted December 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Digger, welcome to the forum. That sounds like a pretty cool tour. Any info you could find on that hook would be great. Thanks MrB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gat0r Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 The hook we're talking about is a Gamakatsu. It's a black nickle, 60 degree FLAT eye hook. Similar to the Mustad you mentioned but it's got a flat eye as opposed to the straight eye. I ordered some of those Mustad football jigs from Castind to check out anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladesandbaits Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Mr B,give these guys a call. http://www.shortyshooks.com/ They will tell you what you need.If you dont have a tax number check out there sister site devoted to retail sales. http://www.captainhookswarehouse.com/ Hell,I talk to Jim at cast once a week.i will ask him next time we talk what the Gammy equal to that mustad is.If you call him I am sure he would tell you as well. Regardless of what the advantage or disadvantage is to a cross eye or straight,I would do the same thing and atempt to get what the people you are making them for wanted. Blades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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